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re: The Alabama NAACP has released their list of demands for police reform in the state
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why is this board so opposed to transparency of government employees?
Imagine a very well known drug dealer is killed at the hands of a cop after drawing and firing shots at the cops during a traffic stop. There would be a bounty on every cop that ever pulled the trigger.
Now I have no problem with wrongful deaths and names coming out after that.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 12:49 pm
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:49 pm to Pintail
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Imagine a very well known drug dealer is killed at the hands of a cop after drawing and firing shots in the cops direction during a traffic stop. There would be a bounty on every cop that ever pulled the trigger.
the names will get released eventually. if your point is true, it's not a valid response.
y'all watch too many movies as well
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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grand juries review serious felony crimes
Wow. You're wrong on that.
My last Grand Jury experience saw us hearing a case over a guy who stole two lizards from a neighbor.
And, in the spirit of full disclosure, I recused myself from the case because I knew the neighbor.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:52 pm to LegendInMyMind
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My last Grand Jury experience saw us hearing a case over a guy who stole two lizards from a neighbor.
well you're right. i shouldn't have been so universal, but i've rarely seen GJs used unless it's a serious offense (in LA)
your case was a felony though, right?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:53 pm to CaptainPanic
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3. Immediately release the names of all officers, supervisors involved in all shootings.
All of that sounds fine except for this one.
Not a good idea to facilitate people overreacting & bringing about vigilante "justice" before they have all the facts.
And this one....
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To de-escalate conflict. with person with weapon present and/or drawn
If they have a gun out they are fair game. They put themselves in that position.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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your case was a felony though, right?
I honestly don't remember what they charged it as.
I will say, I was dumbfounded at the overwhelming volume of cases we heard and the pettiness of a lot of it.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:55 pm to LegendInMyMind
Gonna be tough to implement some of these while defunding the police
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if your point is true, it's not a valid response.
y'all watch too many movies as well
I think the DOJ would argue the opposite.
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FBI homicide data for 2011 reveals that a person who murdered another knew precisely who they were murdering 79% of the time.
FBI homicide data from 2011 also shows that 75% of homicides were precipitated by arguments or gang activity.
Taken together, these statistics demonstrate that most of the lethal violence in the United States is not a consequence of random aggression, but of violent, tit-for-tat, retaliatory responses to interpersonal conflicts.
FBI- 2011 expanded homicide data
RETALIATORY VIOLENCE INSIGHT PROJECT
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:55 pm to LegendInMyMind
And if the state does not agree what they going to do? Riot, get someone from one of the liberal news networks interview them so they can have their few minutes of TV fame....
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:56 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I honestly don't remember what they charged it as.
I will say, I was dumbfounded at the overwhelming volume of cases we heard and the pettiness of a lot of it.
And, I will say, that I came out of the experience fully believing that every single citizen should be required to serve on at least one Grand Jury. Most people have no clue what is going on around them day in and day out.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:56 pm to LegendInMyMind
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3. Immediately release the names of all officers, supervisors involved in all shootings.
No. This will only lead to the person and persons family being harassed and lives ruined in the sake of mob justice before people even know the details of the case. Major endangerment issue
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:57 pm to Pintail
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I think the FBI would argue the opposite.
what data did you cite about murders of police?
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:57 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Every minority shooting requires an elevated level of investigation within the city, county, state, national law enforcement.
6. Increase the use of special prosecutors when potential hate crimes are present.
7. Implement implicit bias training for interacting with persons of color to include racial sensitivity, diversity training, and de-escalation strategies.
Racist and unconstitutional
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:00 pm to LegendInMyMind
What we need to do is end traffic stops and take away the 9 millimeters. Cops should carry revolvers in .38 special, at most.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what data did you cite about murders of police?
Is this information already available to the public? Then there is no data, only speculation as to what would happen based on history of retaliatory crimes.
And just look at BR 2016 as an example. None of these officers even had anything to do with the killing of ALton Sterling, yet were targeting because of it. Imagine if one of their names were out for a justified shooting.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:06 pm to LegendInMyMind
1. Create a Citizens Review Board, Police Trial Board, or Accountability Review Board for the public to have permanent presence/seats and have subpoena power.
We have that, its called an election aka Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc...
2. Release all body camera, citizens, and business camera footage; and 911 call audio to public.
Ever heard of a FOIA?
3. Immediately release the names of all officers, supervisors involved in all shootings.
Is this not already done?
4. Release and/or create Standard Operating Procedures (SOP)s:
-To de-escalate conflict. with person with weapon present and/or drawn
-To clarify the “Shoot to Kill” or “Shoot to Injure” decisions
-To remove corrupt officers
-To de-escalate conflict of excessive force situations
-To provide medical attention for shot or injured suspects
-To test officers in shooting for alcohol and chemical substance
Aint no body gonna actually look at that - most of this was probably developed by FBI years ago.
5.Every minority shooting requires an elevated level of investigation within the city, county, state, national law enforcement.
They want to institute separate but equal again?
6. Increase the use of special prosecutors when potential hate crimes are present.
All crimes are hate crimes
7. Implement implicit bias training for interacting with persons of color to include racial sensitivity, diversity training, and de-escalation strategies.
What about black officers?
8.Enhance the collection of data on fatalities involving police officers.
What does this even mean?
9.Discourage so called “citizen’s arrest” or escalating or confronting acts within the community.
that'll really 0.000000000000001% of anything.
10.Interact and team up with the NAACP and other organizations that promote public safety and good citizenship of the public
This is just common sense, and is probably already in use.
We have that, its called an election aka Sheriff, Chief of Police, etc...
2. Release all body camera, citizens, and business camera footage; and 911 call audio to public.
Ever heard of a FOIA?
3. Immediately release the names of all officers, supervisors involved in all shootings.
Is this not already done?
4. Release and/or create Standard Operating Procedures (SOP)s:
-To de-escalate conflict. with person with weapon present and/or drawn
-To clarify the “Shoot to Kill” or “Shoot to Injure” decisions
-To remove corrupt officers
-To de-escalate conflict of excessive force situations
-To provide medical attention for shot or injured suspects
-To test officers in shooting for alcohol and chemical substance
Aint no body gonna actually look at that - most of this was probably developed by FBI years ago.
5.Every minority shooting requires an elevated level of investigation within the city, county, state, national law enforcement.
They want to institute separate but equal again?
6. Increase the use of special prosecutors when potential hate crimes are present.
All crimes are hate crimes
7. Implement implicit bias training for interacting with persons of color to include racial sensitivity, diversity training, and de-escalation strategies.
What about black officers?
8.Enhance the collection of data on fatalities involving police officers.
What does this even mean?
9.Discourage so called “citizen’s arrest” or escalating or confronting acts within the community.
that'll really 0.000000000000001% of anything.
10.Interact and team up with the NAACP and other organizations that promote public safety and good citizenship of the public
This is just common sense, and is probably already in use.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:07 pm to LegendInMyMind
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-To remove corrupt officers
Why are they often kept? Unions.
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6. Increase the use of special prosecutors when potential hate crimes are present.
Most county DA's in Alabama probably don't have the personnel and resources for this.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:11 pm to LegendInMyMind
#5......why do they want that only for minorities? That sounds like good policy for all shootings
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:18 pm to Roll Tide Ravens
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6. Increase the use of special prosecutors when potential hate crimes are present.
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Most county DA's in Alabama probably don't have the personnel and resources for this.
In reality, if a true hate crime has merit, it is almost immediately kicked up to the Feds where they lead the investigation.
Unfortunately, an overwhelming majority of hate crimes have no merit. This fact can be easily seen when you compare the Fed's list of "reported" hate crimes (every reported hate crime is accounted for) to a list of adjudicated cases.
Posted on 6/4/20 at 1:26 pm to LegendInMyMind
Can we remove the corrupt citizens also?
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