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re: The Alabama NAACP has released their list of demands for police reform in the state

Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:11 pm to
Posted by turnpiketiger
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:11 pm to
In Alabama? Yea not happening. Keep living in LALA land.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18810 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:11 pm to
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This is the most logical one, IMO.



Logical to the poorly educated. You have no idea the cost and management difficulties behind such demands.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
8083 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:14 pm to
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The sad thing is 90% of that list is fine and could have come from a libertarian civil rights organization.



Exactly. Most of this should be done...and its not necessarily a racial only issue. Its an accountability issue.
Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:18 pm to
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3 and 5 are bad ideas. The rest is workabl



#6 is aka know as: when a white person kills a non-white. No other scenario qualifies
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:19 pm to
those are all relatively reasonable

1, 2, 3, 4, 8, and 9 shouldn't be controversial at all
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464967 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:19 pm to
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We don't negotiate with terrorists

damn we're calling cops terrorists now?
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:21 pm to
9.Discourage so called “citizen’s arrest” or escalating or confronting acts within the community.

10.Interact and team up with the NAACP and other organizations that promote public safety and good citizenship of the public

This gets into a very grey area. Citizens arrest could include defending your property or home. Would it be okay to set up a white supremist group to counter the NAACP ro review all cases? We already have a system of justice. Why add in bias?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71199 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:24 pm to
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Exactly. Most of this should be done...and its not necessarily a racial only issue. Its an accountability issue.

quote:

Most of this should be done

Psst...pssssst!
Hey, most of this IS already done.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18810 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:28 pm to
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damn we're calling cops terrorists now?



Every time you post you only prove what a mental midget you are.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19427 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:28 pm to
So for the minority shootings, does this mean just black folks or all POC?

Something tells me they just want this for black folks
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Badman
West Monroe, LA
Member since Nov 2009
2703 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:30 pm to
I was out after #1......
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71199 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:34 pm to
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Sure is. That's why it's silly for folks to be up in arms over most of these demands.

Or, is it just disingenuous for a group who is supposed to be advocating for legitimate change to make a list that implies that none of this stuff is already being done?
Is it irresponsible of them to turn the "conversation" into a false narrative that paints the police in this state in the worst possible light by implying that in Alabama, police don't call medical help for injured suspects, that in Alabame we knowingly and willfully allow corrupt cops to run wild, that in Alabama police are out killing random black people and throwing them in unmarked graves without account or oversight, that in Alabama police involved shootings are never, EVER investigated by special prosecutors and are only handled by local law enforcement?

So, it is okay, as the starter to the "conversation" for the NAACP to make these demands for things that they know full and well are already being done?
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
105968 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:36 pm to
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I was out after #1......



You have an issue with a citizen's review board as another source to review? You do remember they work for us right? How's this any different than an elected school board?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464967 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:37 pm to
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Every time you post you only prove what a mental midget you are.

Posted by Vestigial Morgan
Member since Apr 2016
3048 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:38 pm to
Sorry..fatfingured an accidental downvote
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:38 pm to
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Meh mostly ok.
Not sure if they understand that shoot to injure isn’t really an option


Agree.

Tasers have fallen off the radar but they have their own set of issues. They can be fatal, and the fact that they're designed to be nonlethal makes officers more willing to use them.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71199 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:41 pm to
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You have an issue with a citizen's review board as another source to review? You do remember they work for us right? How's this any different than an elected school board?

To be fair, we do already have a Grand Jury that is made up of citizens who review cases. Redundancy is redundant.
What happens when the citizen review board (Which, by law, whould have no real, legal impact) sends a case to the Grand Jury, and the Grand Jury sees it differently?
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
11864 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:41 pm to
A majority of this list is actually pretty strong.

But

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3. Immediately release the names of all officers, supervisors involved in all shootings.



Should NEVER happen.

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4. Release and/or create Standard Operating Procedures (SOP)s:

-To de-escalate conflict. with person with weapon present and/or drawn

-To clarify the “Shoot to Kill” or “Shoot to Injure” decisions

-To remove corrupt officers

-To de-escalate conflict of excessive force situations

-To provide medical attention for shot or injured suspects

-To test officers in shooting for alcohol and chemical substance

5.Every minority shooting requires an elevated level of investigation within the city, county, state, national law enforcement.



Remove the bolded, and these are actually strong recs. If you have a gun drawn on an officer, there should only be one outcome. There should never be an instance where an officer is "shooting to injure". The only thing that can come of this is a lesser reason to actually pull the trigger, and better chance to kill someone that should not have escalated to that point in the first place. Many of these officers aren't the best shot to begin with, and giving them better reason to pull the trigger to shoot someone to injure them only opens up the opportunity to accidentally kill someone.
This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464967 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:43 pm to
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To be fair, we do already have a Grand Jury that is made up of citizens who review cases. Redundancy is redundant.

grand juries review serious felony crimes

i don't think a citizen's review board would be passing any criminal judgment, so where is the redundancy?

you think the only oversight over public officials should be situations of allegations of serious felonies?

quote:

What happens when the citizen review board (Which, by law, whould have no real, legal impact) sends a case to the Grand Jury, and the Grand Jury sees it differently?

i think the citizen's review board would be more of an administrative function. they could fire, demote, reprimand cops. it would have no bearing on criminal review/prosecution.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464967 posts
Posted on 6/4/20 at 12:44 pm to
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Should NEVER happen.

why is this board so opposed to transparency of government employees?
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