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re: The Airbnbust continues

Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:06 am to
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3137 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:06 am to
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Why the hate? I Love Airbnb. I’ve stayed in houses and cabins in 7 different states. You can get multiple bedrooms, a kitchen, and a washer and dryer for, in some cases, not much more than a 1 bedroom hotel room. You just have to be smart and research and pick the right one.


I don’t hate AirBnB’s I just don’t stay at them. I’ve always thought people chose them because they are more affordable. I prefer the amenities of a luxury hotel.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
3137 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:11 am to
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There are neighborhoods in Orlando around Disney that almost 90% of the neighborhood is Airbnb Yeah, that’s awesome free market stuff but there comes a point of time where that’s a bit much.


One of the cities I live in has made it illegal to rent out your private home for a duration of less than 30 days unless you have a transient business license that is almost impossible to get. The city code enforcement does not play around with people attempting to conduct illegal short term rentals.
I think these sort of zoning laws will expand as fatigue from short-term rentals grows.
Posted by LSUZombie
A Cemetery Near You
Member since Apr 2008
29569 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:33 am to
Wife and I took a road trip to Idaho and stayed in AirBnB's. The vast majority were good experiences, and only a handful had issues. I went with nothing but "super hosts" and extremely high reviews, and still most were the nicest home in a lower-middle class neighborhood.

All of the homes we stayed at were adequate but there was no "perfect home." Some would have uncomfortable beds, one didn't have a shower, only a tub; another showed pics of a beautiful backyard (we had a dog) only to arrive and see the yard was a disaster construction zone.

If we hadn't brought the dog we would have stayed at hotels, and after this trip and staying at 8 AirBnBs, I learned how to really read the reviews and "read between the lines" of what the reviewers are politely trying to say.

Edit: I will say that outside of one AirBnB, the checkout instructions were literally "just lock up and leave" so that was nice.
This post was edited on 8/7/24 at 10:35 am
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31876 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:33 am to
We’ve had nothing but good experiences, for just two of us, but also for bigger groups. From the Keys, to Toledo Bend, to Sonoma, just have to compare the total price to the hotel total price. Hotels can have a bunch of sneaky fees too (look no further than NO for examples).

Less likely to use them overseas where language barriers and less involved hosts make hotels a safer option.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53783 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:34 am to
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quote:Never understood why someone would wanna pay the same price as a hotel but you have to follow bunch of rules and there’s no conveniences available.

STRs tend to work best in groups of 4 or more.


I use VRBO, the convenience of having a driveway, a backyard with some amenities and no walls next to another group of people is why I stay in a STR vs a hotel/motel....however you're correct, the STR is a real bargain when you have at least two couples sharing the cost.
Posted by N2cars
Close by
Member since Feb 2008
37989 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:37 am to
Good.

NIMBY.

IDC what other places do, but almost no one wants STR's in their hood, nor any other commercial entity.
Posted by jwalk38
Member since Nov 2021
111 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:52 am to
It's WAY more than one percent in the most desirable areas of New Orleans.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55979 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:53 am to
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Never understood the AirBnB hate on here.




I guess some folks have had bad experiences, and some people resent it because of the problems it can cause for neighborhoods.

I use airbnb as opposed to hotel pretty much every time I travel for leisure, mainly because where we like to go, there aren't many, if any, hotels.

I generally have great experiences, and am able to find great deals.

We stayed in a bnb rv camper in someone's front yard last weekend for my buddy's wedding in Grayton Beach. It was in a cool little neighborhood close to the bay, but it was only about a 7 minute drive to Grayton Beach.

Not sure why, but the host ended up refunding me nearly all of the money I paid? Ended up only paying like 34 bucks for two nights. I brought it to his attention, buy he didn't seem too worried about it. No complaints here.
This post was edited on 8/7/24 at 10:57 am
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9037 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:03 am to
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One of the cities I live in has made it illegal to rent out your private home for a duration of less than 30 days unless you have a transient business license that is almost impossible to get. The city code enforcement does not play around with people attempting to conduct illegal short term rentals.
I think these sort of zoning laws will expand as fatigue from short-term rentals grows.


Yeah, there's a lot of these newish laws in NYC that have made some difference but seem a bit easy to get around since 1/4 of anything happening here is "off the books".

Like with almost everything:

freedom to do what you want seems like the best idea

then people "dust bowl" it by going on a feeding frenzy without thought or care of the big picture and future impact

then there has to be a lot of messy laws that are expensive for tax payers and get enforced unevenly

Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4971 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:03 am to
My Short term rentals are rented direct as well as through VRBO and AirBnB. I encourage good renters to book directly in the future and it will save both parties.

If you keep a clean property in a good location and charge minimal cleaning fees, most will return. I only charge $75 cleaning fee even though my housekeeper charges me more than that.

And if guests have questions or an issue, replying quickly means a great deal. Even if you can’t always completely eliminate the issue, responding and trying goes a long way.

I look forward to using those services as basically an ad service and booking direct. You lose some protections that they offer, but we’ve been fortunate in booking direct in the past.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21695 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:07 am to
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But, I'm also not following how it would help the "little guy" if those supposed empty rent controlled apartments were rented to people paying $4000/mo?



Rent Control is the artificial limitation of rent prices to super low rates set by the govt to encourage longevity of residents from having to move.

Problem is that limitation is often orders or magnitude less than market value, and it's cheaper for them to claim it as a loss on their taxes than rent it at rock bottom prices.

This in turn creates a housing shortage as more and more rentals are off the market housing no one. If rent control didn't happen those would be occupied spaces increasing supply, which is a good thing and helps everyone.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
25175 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 11:32 am to
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For the record, in all my years of staying in ABNBs, I have NEVER, not once, had to wash sheets or do any laundry of any kind.)
We almost always end up having to do laundry at some point during an airbnb stay to have clean towels.

Most I've stayed in had checkout instructions that said to load and run the dishwasher and to put dirty towels in the wash and start it before you leave. Have had a few with instructions to remove the sheets from any beds that were used.
Posted by wm72
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2010
9037 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:07 pm to
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Rent Control is the artificial limitation of rent prices to super low rates set by the govt to encourage longevity of residents from having to move.

Problem is that limitation is often orders or magnitude less than market value, and it's cheaper for them to claim it as a loss on their taxes than rent it at rock bottom prices.

This in turn creates a housing shortage as more and more rentals are off the market housing no one. If rent control didn't happen those would be occupied spaces increasing supply, which is a good thing and helps everyone.


I do get that.

The complication is that in NYC only around 5% of rent stabilized apartments are off the market. The other 95% are rented.

It's certainly an extremely complex issue that can logically only be "solved" if a higher percentage of regular "little guy" incomes across the city are sufficient to pay "market" rent.

However, in this imperfect world, I still can't figure out how it really helps the "little guy" if prices drastically increase overnight on 95% of the apartments just to put another 2 or 3% on the market?

I could guess the immediate effect would be a situation in which a lot more apartments are empty just like storefronts.

Just based on my limited experience of friends trying to rent both apartments and storefronts in Fort Greene, Bushwick etc. . . empty storefronts and constantly vacant apartments are ones where the rent is higher than average and there doesn't seem much desperation to lower them instead of just leaving them empty.
Posted by BrohemAlem11
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
13318 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:28 pm to
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Never understood the AirBnB hate on here.


Same, but I've learned to use it as a search engine instead of a booking tool. Use the easy to use app to find a place, then use that info to find the direct listing and book that way usually for at least $100 less.

I really like it when traveling even with just the wife... we rarely cook but being able to make a simple breakfast without leaving anywhere is nice and she goes to bed earlier so me having a living room is amazing.

That said...for business trips I love and get excited about the simplicity of hotels.
Posted by Sherlock Holmes II
Member since Jun 2024
122 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 12:51 pm to
I hate Airbnb, between the fees and rules. Not to mention I've had two bad experiences staying there one that ended up costing me a decent amount of money.

The host and I (I was staying in a basement) was drinking watching sports and I accidentally knocked over a lamp that fell and broke. We talked about it, everything seemed fine and I PP'd what they told me it cost. After I checked out and left my review I received 1* review and they attached that the lamp was broke but said it was 4x the cost of what I paid them.

Airbnb escalated the situation and I had to send the screen shots of me paying along with the dialogue between the host and I. Then Airbnb ruled in favor of the host and sent me a letter saying I was in the wrong for paying via PP and that I should have gone through Airbnb customer support to handle the issue.
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
17747 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:09 pm to
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We’ve had nothing but good experiences,


Same for me, we do one big guys trip a year for LSU games, 12-14 people so we get big houses but the worst of the lot was just not as good as the others but still fine - worst thing was one of the bathrooms the water didn't really get all that hot and I've been of a few trips with my siblings so probably about 8 or 9 in all and no bad experiences.
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98758 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Same for me, we do one big guys trip a year for LSU games, 12-14 people


Do you share bedrooms? I couldn’t see myself sharing a bedroom with another dude
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7131 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 1:40 pm to
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I have no clue why someone would choose to stay in an Airbnb instead of a hotel.


Because we want more space. Because we want to fix breakfast and lunches ourselves instead of eating out all the time. Because we are a family and want to have a full kitchen and nice living area. Because we don't want to have all the beds in one room and be required to go to sleep when the 4 year old does. I could go on and on.

I have not have one single bad experience on either VRBO or Airbnb. I'm really not sure where all the hate comes from unless you just never bother to see the entire price till you book. All the fees are listed if you look. We have stayed in some very nice penthouse apartments in cities (Toronto, Denver) some nice houses out in the country (several in the Hill Country), places all over. Sometimes hotels are cheaper and sometimes they are the same price. But we always have more room with nice living spaces and kitchens that allow us a better experience and to save money on food and drink. I just find having more space very convenient.

It is hands down a better experience for a big group. There are gorgeous homes including pools, game rooms, etc. that are much cheaper than the same size group staying in a hotel. Additionally, you save a lot on breakfast and packing lunches.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7131 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 2:11 pm to
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$182/night advertised but 2 nights ends up at $769 total.


Y'all must not read the whole entire website when booking. The fees are not hidden if you look. I never book one that doesn't have TONS of reviews and I read pages of reviews before booking. I 100% know what I am getting and haven't missed yet. A lot of people's problems with Airbnb sound like they could be fixed by doing research ahead of time. If you just want to look it up and click a button with no additional time, then go hotel.
Posted by sparkinator
Lake Claiborne
Member since Dec 2007
4971 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 2:31 pm to
My departure list is “If you have time”
1 start the dishwasher
2 strip the sheets of the beds you slept in (So the HK knows which to wash)
3 empty the trash.

That’s it. I don’t ask for anything else. That way I can keep the cleaning fee to a minimum. $75 fee for any length of stay.

The extra fees people are mentioning. Hotels are charging the occupancy fees as well. They don’t advertise them either.
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