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re: The Abu Ghraib prison was pretty messed up

Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:43 pm to
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26824 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:43 pm to
Except it was a bunch of MPs diddling with detainees’ junk, and not anyone who actually knew how to perform an interrogation, much less stress positions or “enhanced” interrogations.

Posted by CajunSoldier225
Member since Aug 2011
8990 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:44 pm to
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No one there loved their country enough to go butt frick one of these terrorist for information


Then just what was Iraq all about?!

j/k

Posted by Flame Salamander
Texas Gulf - Clear Lake
Member since Jan 2012
3044 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:44 pm to
What part of torture and homicide was blown out of proportion? Stop making excuses for people being outraged by this.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
144681 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:46 pm to
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Several detainees endured medically unnecessary[6] "rectal rehydration", "rectal fluid resuscitation", and "rectal feeding"


WTF kind of interrogation tactics are these?

Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26824 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:46 pm to
you’re right, I’m wrong. Not getting into this, lol.
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
26824 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:47 pm to
That was not conducted by MI or any other intelligence apparatus. It was not an interrogation. It was a group of idiot MPs.
Posted by jdeval1
Member since Dec 2009
7525 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:48 pm to
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These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder

Well they were terrorists. They can shove a Buick up their asses and I wouldn't give a shite.
Posted by GeorgeTheGreek
Sparta, Greece
Member since Mar 2008
69588 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:58 pm to
What the .... I don't even...

Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
68498 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:59 pm to
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Stop making excuses for people being outraged by this.



It's OK, you can be outraged here. Just look at this as your safe space.





Touchdown Jeebus, thanks for serving and write your book.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127620 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:04 pm to
That is disturbing as hell.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
70143 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:27 pm to
Damn that's sick
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
54241 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:28 pm to
DGAF
Posted by baobabtiger
Member since May 2009
4958 posts
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:52 pm to
I wonder how many American lives those techniques saved? If it was one it was worth it.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96262 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:49 am to
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Is that what happened here?


Honestly, I don't know what really happened or how it got out of hand. What I have no doubt about is that - at least at the start of it - the MPs thought they were helping "soften up" the subjects for interrogation. Now, very quickly, no reasonable NCO or officer could have believed that they were within the bounds of international conventions.

You know how missions can get, though. The drive for mission accomplishment sometimes drowns out other concerns. Again, not defending the individuals involved (or the leadership for that matter), but sort of explaining how otherwise reasonable people might have gone "off the rails on a crazy train" (to quote Ozzy).

Clearly Graner is some sort of psycho and the others (strangely, a seemingly large number of females) followed him over the edge.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38578 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:41 am to
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A few months ago, I watched the documentary "The Kill Team" on amazon. I vaguely remember hearing about it in the national news. The documentary was pretty interesting.

I was in 2ID back then and stationed at Lewis, different brigade though. Robert Bales, the guy who did the Khandahar Massacre, also came out of 2ID and Lewis not long after that.

That was a shitty time and place to be in the army.
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:13 am to
When did that come out? I vaguely remember seeing that. But I can't remember where.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40817 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:41 am to
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Honestly, I don't know what really happened or how it got out of hand. What I have no doubt about is that - at least at the start of it - the MPs thought they were helping "soften up" the subjects for interrogation. Now, very quickly, no reasonable NCO or officer could have believed that they were within the bounds of international conventions.



I had a professor at LSU compare it to the Stanford prison experiment and fraternity hazing. It kind of makes sense in that context. Some people when given any authority no matter how contrived, will abuse it.

quote:

The Stanford prison experiment (SPE) was an attempt to investigate the psychological effects of perceived power, focusing on the struggle between prisoners and prison officers. It was conducted at Stanford University between August 14–20, 1971, by a research group led by psychology professor Philip Zimbardo using college students.[1] It was funded by the U.S. Office of Naval Research[2] as an investigation into the causes of difficulties between guards and prisoners in the United States Navy and United States Marine Corps. The experiment is a topic covered in most introductory psychology textbooks.[3]

quote:

Guards and prisoners had been chosen randomly from the volunteering college students. Some participants developed their roles as the officers and enforced authoritarian measures and ultimately subjected some prisoners to psychological torture. Many of the prisoners passively accepted psychological abuse and, by the officers' request, actively harassed other prisoners who tried to stop it. Zimbardo, in his role as the superintendent, allowed abuse to continue.[4][5] Two of the prisoners left mid-experiment, and the whole exercise was abandoned after six days following the objections of graduate student Christina Maslach, whom Zimbardo was dating (and later married). Certain portions of the experiment were filmed, and excerpts of footage are publicly available.



LINK
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 8:44 am
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:51 am to
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Well they were terrorists. They can shove a Buick up their asses and I wouldn't give a shite.


Agreed. Although I would change "terrorists" to "Muslims" just to cover all my bases.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
15168 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:51 am to
Lol at the picture! The worst thing that happened to them was having to listen to Christina Aguilera's "Genie in a Bottle" blaring for 168 hours straight.
Posted by terd ferguson
Darren Wilson Fan Club President
Member since Aug 2007
114938 posts
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:04 am to
And you know they enjoyed sucking each others dicks off bc Muslims are homosexes. It's in their nature.
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