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re: The Abu Ghraib prison was pretty messed up
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:43 pm to TimeOutdoors
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:43 pm to TimeOutdoors
Except it was a bunch of MPs diddling with detainees’ junk, and not anyone who actually knew how to perform an interrogation, much less stress positions or “enhanced” interrogations.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:44 pm to SlapahoeTribe
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No one there loved their country enough to go butt frick one of these terrorist for information
Then just what was Iraq all about?!
j/k
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:44 pm to touchdownjeebus
What part of torture and homicide was blown out of proportion? Stop making excuses for people being outraged by this.
This post was edited on 11/6/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:46 pm to Flame Salamander
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Several detainees endured medically unnecessary[6] "rectal rehydration", "rectal fluid resuscitation", and "rectal feeding"
WTF kind of interrogation tactics are these?
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:46 pm to Flame Salamander
you’re right, I’m wrong. Not getting into this, lol.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:47 pm to Rebel
That was not conducted by MI or any other intelligence apparatus. It was not an interrogation. It was a group of idiot MPs.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:48 pm to TheIndulger
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These violations included physical and sexual abuse, torture, rape, sodomy, and murder
Well they were terrorists. They can shove a Buick up their asses and I wouldn't give a shite.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:58 pm to jdeval1
What the .... I don't even...


Posted on 11/6/17 at 6:59 pm to Flame Salamander
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Stop making excuses for people being outraged by this.
It's OK, you can be outraged here. Just look at this as your safe space.
Touchdown Jeebus, thanks for serving and write your book.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:04 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
That is disturbing as hell.
Posted on 11/6/17 at 7:52 pm to TheIndulger
I wonder how many American lives those techniques saved? If it was one it was worth it.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:49 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Is that what happened here?
Honestly, I don't know what really happened or how it got out of hand. What I have no doubt about is that - at least at the start of it - the MPs thought they were helping "soften up" the subjects for interrogation. Now, very quickly, no reasonable NCO or officer could have believed that they were within the bounds of international conventions.
You know how missions can get, though. The drive for mission accomplishment sometimes drowns out other concerns. Again, not defending the individuals involved (or the leadership for that matter), but sort of explaining how otherwise reasonable people might have gone "off the rails on a crazy train" (to quote Ozzy).
Clearly Graner is some sort of psycho and the others (strangely, a seemingly large number of females) followed him over the edge.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:41 am to JBeam
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A few months ago, I watched the documentary "The Kill Team" on amazon. I vaguely remember hearing about it in the national news. The documentary was pretty interesting.
I was in 2ID back then and stationed at Lewis, different brigade though. Robert Bales, the guy who did the Khandahar Massacre, also came out of 2ID and Lewis not long after that.
That was a shitty time and place to be in the army.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:13 am to GeorgeTheGreek
When did that come out? I vaguely remember seeing that. But I can't remember where.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:41 am to Ace Midnight
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Honestly, I don't know what really happened or how it got out of hand. What I have no doubt about is that - at least at the start of it - the MPs thought they were helping "soften up" the subjects for interrogation. Now, very quickly, no reasonable NCO or officer could have believed that they were within the bounds of international conventions.
I had a professor at LSU compare it to the Stanford prison experiment and fraternity hazing. It kind of makes sense in that context. Some people when given any authority no matter how contrived, will abuse it.
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The Stanford prison experiment (SPE) was an attempt to investigate the psychological effects of perceived power, focusing on the struggle between prisoners and prison officers. It was conducted at Stanford University between August 14–20, 1971, by a research group led by psychology professor Philip Zimbardo using college students.[1] It was funded by the U.S. Office of Naval Research[2] as an investigation into the causes of difficulties between guards and prisoners in the United States Navy and United States Marine Corps. The experiment is a topic covered in most introductory psychology textbooks.[3]
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Guards and prisoners had been chosen randomly from the volunteering college students. Some participants developed their roles as the officers and enforced authoritarian measures and ultimately subjected some prisoners to psychological torture. Many of the prisoners passively accepted psychological abuse and, by the officers' request, actively harassed other prisoners who tried to stop it. Zimbardo, in his role as the superintendent, allowed abuse to continue.[4][5] Two of the prisoners left mid-experiment, and the whole exercise was abandoned after six days following the objections of graduate student Christina Maslach, whom Zimbardo was dating (and later married). Certain portions of the experiment were filmed, and excerpts of footage are publicly available.
LINK
This post was edited on 11/7/17 at 8:44 am
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:51 am to jdeval1
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Well they were terrorists. They can shove a Buick up their asses and I wouldn't give a shite.
Agreed. Although I would change "terrorists" to "Muslims" just to cover all my bases.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:51 am to TheIndulger
Lol at the picture! The worst thing that happened to them was having to listen to Christina Aguilera's "Genie in a Bottle" blaring for 168 hours straight.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:04 am to Reservoir dawg
And you know they enjoyed sucking each others dicks off bc Muslims are homosexes. It's in their nature.
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