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re: Texas to hit all-electric vehicle owners with high fees
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:56 pm to shel311
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:56 pm to shel311
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There is a gas tax, part of that tax is used to upgrade/upkeep on roads. EVs currently obviously don't pay into that at all. It IS fair to ask of EV owners to pay something towards those roads they use that ICE vehicle owners are currently paying towards its use.
Clearly you didn’t read the rest of my post.
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:56 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
quote:
The Tesla Model X weighs 5,200-5,400lbs. Electric batteries are pretty heavy. But I guess you need to compare them directly against ICE version, not EV to ICE of different models.
There are barely any Model Xs out there on the road. 98% of the Teslas that have been sold are 3s and Ys and those represent the vast majority of EVs on the roads in the US.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:59 pm to deeprig9
quote:But that is unfair to those who drive less.
Why not simply eliminate the gas tax and replace it with the $200 registration fee for everyone regardless of vehicle type? That way you aren't picking on anyone, gas or electric, they pay the same tax for road maintenance.
There can't be a truly fair tax, but to get somewhat close it has to be in some way a function of miles driven. There should be a flat component as well though IMO because even if you never go anywhere you benefit from just having nice roads around you.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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Just tax electricity.
Considering the blatant laziness the Texas legislators have shown I highly doubt they could put together enough brain cells to figure out how to only tax EV consumption.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:02 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Given that most EV charging happens at home, that means electricity would need to be taxed across the board (hitting everyone), or we would need to invite government into our homes to determine what portion of the electricity we use charges an EV.
Just tax electricity. Y’a know, the thing EV owners use to propel their vehicle across the road.
Neither option sounds good to me.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:04 pm to cas4t
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Why should someone be penalized for not using fuel?
1 they are using fuel, diesels also pay.
2 the car weights are much heavier than other cars and do more to wear out the roads and bridges faster. When they catch on fire, the damage to the road bed is worse.
$200 should be more.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:04 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:How are you planning to tax electricity exactly?
Clearly you didn’t read the rest of my post.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:06 pm to real turf fan
quote:ICE vehicles catch fire I believe 9x more than EVs, so should they pay extra for the increased amount of instances of catching fire? Or nah?
When they catch on fire, the damage to the road bed is worse.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:07 pm to real turf fan
It's like half of the posters on here want the tax to be so high as to destroy the EV industry.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:09 pm to hikingfan
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Texas gas tax = $.20 per gallon. To reach $200 would require the purchase of 1,000 of gas, for a 30 mpg car that means 30,000 miles per year to reach the equivalent EV tax. Doesn't seem exactly fair.
Not sure how fed part is processed once collected, but Texas tax was written to account for the fed tax as well.
So it’s close to $0.384 a gallon and around 15,700 miles a year at around 30 mpg.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:13 pm to Wally Sparks
quote:I think you're on to something!
It's like half of the posters on here want the tax to be so high as to destroy the EV industry.
And like I said, it's the same folks who hate on the Left for being big government, and now they want to government to tax something some crazy amounts solely because they don't like it.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:18 pm to shel311
quote:
And like I said, it's the same folks who hate on the Left for being big government, and now they want to government to tax something some crazy amounts solely because they don't like it.
They hate people who drive the most American made car(tesla) that charge it off American natural gas at their American built homes and would rather support the Arab dude’s gas station and use gas from derka-derka-stan. The real question is why do they hate America.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:18 pm to Street Hawk
Ok what's the problem
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:21 pm to SeeeeK
quote:Most EV owners don't drive enough to justify $200 compared to how many miles it takes an ICE vehicle to get to $200 a year.
Ok what's the problem
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:21 pm to shel311
quote:
How are you planning to tax electricity exactly?
Is it not taxed already?
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:21 pm to real turf fan
quote:Another one who hasn't so much as skimmed the thread.
the car weights are much heavier than other cars and do more to wear out the roads and bridges faster.
quote:
When they catch on fire, the damage to the road bed is worse.
Since ICE vehicles catch fire at a rate 10 to 50 times higher than EVs, that probably more than makes up for whatever increase in damage an EV fire might cause. In either case, liability coverage should pay for that type of damage to infrastructure, not taxes.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:23 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Where I live, no....not for residential.
Is it not taxed already?
Only commercial users.
But even if we assume it was, how are you going to figure out which part of my electricity usage goes towards charging my EV?
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:26 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Since ICE vehicles catch fire at a rate 10 to 50 times higher than EVs, that probably more than makes up for whatever increase in damage an EV fire might cause. In either case, liability coverage should pay for that type of damage to infrastructure, not taxes.
Ice cars run on all natural fuel instead of chemicals like evs
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:27 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Maybe a bit, but not for roads and definitely not enough to make up the deficit.
Is it not taxed already?
Regardless of how you do it, taxing electricity to pay for roads will just make solar much more competitive. Then they will have to chase that one around. Tax solar panels to pay for roads? Getting pretty wacky now.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 2:28 pm to Street Hawk
They do need taxes at least equal to gasoline taxes.
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