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re: Texas Governor wants top teachers to earn six figures
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:56 pm to JawjaTigah
Posted on 8/22/18 at 12:56 pm to JawjaTigah
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Their continuing tenure is evaluated by a lot of factors - not the least of which includes compliance with lesson plan submission, classroom observation, and how their students do on their test scores as compared with other classes and teachers.
Unlike most things, everyone has a lot of experience with teachers. You can peddle this bullshite elsewhere, but most teachers are easily replaceable, especially at the K through 12 levels.
Now that I'm adult, I look back and understand how comically bad a decent chunk of my teachers were, yet they still kept their jobs.
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:03 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Scruffy always finds it funny how teachers think their job is some big mystery.
Unlike most things, everyone has a lot of experience with teachers. You can peddle this bullshite elsewhere, but most teachers are easily replaceable, especially at the K through 12 levels.
We can’t comprehend how hard the job is.
bullshite.
Teaching is the one job everyone knows well.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:07 pm to Restomod
$80k to $120k would be a reasonable range for teachers.
Conservatively, you need $31,200 in salary to live a decent life.
Conservatively, you need $31,200 in salary to live a decent life.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:08 pm to Restomod
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:18 pm to Jcorye1
quote:Not sure what you mean, since in public schools, K-12 are the only levels.
most teachers are easily replaceable, especially at thequote:.
K through 12 levels
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:18 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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would do it in a heartbeat.
And 100k would be a large pay cut for me.
A teachers job is not that hard and they work less than 8 total months a year when you account for summers, school holidays, regular holidays, etc. About 7 something months.
So yeah, even though 100k would be a large pay cut for me, I'll take it no question to be a teacher.
I would pay money to watch a reality show where guys like you had to go to a school and teach for one year. Any subject you wanted too. But not coaching. And not some lily white private school either. I wanna see you teach at a school where when you ask a kid his name his response is "suck my dick".
And you're graded just like any other teacher, on those kids tests scores.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:24 pm to lsu1919
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I would pay money to watch a reality show where guys like you had to go to a school and teach for one year. Any subject you wanted too. But not coaching. And not some lily white private school either. I wanna see you teach at a school where when you ask a kid his name his response is "suck my dick".
And you're graded just like any other teacher, on those kids tests scores.
Lol, at least I know where I stand with that kid. That is far easier than making a pitch and working for months on a deal and not having a clue where you stand.
btw those of you who act like it is impossible to create a fair way to evaluate how successful it is to see if a teacher is good at their job, should just stop. It isn't rocket science. You figure out what factors mean that a teacher did a good job and then you figure out how to measure those factors. I bet an intelligent group of people could create this in a week that would take out the quality of the students, their home world. If MLB teams can make 100 million dollar player decisions based on stats then I feel confident that they can figure out if a teacher is bad, decent, good or great.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:24 pm to lsu1919
quote:Lol. The ugly underbelly of life in our public schools. You are spot on! Plus you send this kid in on discipline and he or she is suspended or something, if you can get a parent to come in for a conference, they are likely to tell you the same thing, or worse.
I would pay money to watch a reality show where guys like you had to go to a school and teach for one year. Any subject you wanted too. But not coaching. And not some lily white private school either. I wanna see you teach at a school where when you ask a kid his name his response is "suck my dick".
And you're graded just like any other teacher, on those kids tests scores.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:44 pm to Willie Stroker
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Well that all depends on criteria used, doesn’t it?
It could also give them the biggest advantage.
So many ways to push it one way or another.
Based on test scores: Richer areas would win.
Based on overall improvement: Poorer areas would win as the richer already had high scores.
Based on level of prestige of the school: Richer areas would win.
Based on Community outreach: Poorer areas would win.
Which one is right?
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:45 pm to FightinTiga
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Not sure about 6 figures but they are underpaid
Why not?
Society is falling to pieces around us as we speak because of this shitty American education system. You pay teachers an assload of money, you start attracting better people to do a better job than what they’re doing now.
If
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:48 pm to Jcorye1
Parenting is more valuable to a child's education than their teachers. I don't believe upping teacher pay will make much of a difference
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:54 pm to Restomod
Be interesting to see how deep the Teacher's Union would dive into that. Assuming of course Texas has them.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:58 pm to Restomod
shite I’m a teacher and I make 6 figures running a grass crew the 6 months out the year I’m off lol
Posted on 8/22/18 at 1:58 pm to Restomod
Good teachers are underpaid.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:06 pm to lsu1919
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I wanna see you teach at a school where when you ask a kid his name his response is "suck my dick".
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:09 pm to FlyinTiger93
quote:If your wife views kids as you do I hope she finds a new job that better suits her.
t is a $100K job. Balk at the summer hours, and holidays, all you want. They have to put up with your shitty kids everyday, and try to get them to focus, not you. Then, go home and answer emails from OT Ballers who think they can buy their kids grades, and criticize discipline, because their kids are spoiled frick ups. Each night is spent preparing for the next day, so the hours are really 7:30-9:00, and many hours on the weekends.
I have encouraged my wife to seek another career, multiple times, but the longer they teach, the more pigeon-holed they get. Other career options are limited. At the end of the day, she loves the impact that she has on them. Seeing kids grow, and greet her with a smile 10 years later.
Answer emails? Oh my, what an expectation.
Guess what, if the teacher would be somewhat clear on assignments maybe the parent would have a clue on what was needed to be done for homework.
But no, the teacher prints out some curriculum sheet and assigns homework off of it, yet the descriptions match absolutely nothing in the texts, work sheets or otherwise.
Principals have all indicated that all teacher issues should be directed to the teacher. Emails seem like the most benign way to communicate. Sorry the expectation is too high. Maybe the teacher should be somewhat proactive and involved. Maybe then the parents wouldnt spend 3 hours a night on group mes, texts, and phone calls with fellow parents to see what in the ever loving frick the kid is supposed to be doing.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I doubt it will. And of course parents are more valuable.
Parenting is more valuable to a child's education than their teachers. I don't believe upping teacher pay will make much of a difference
I really dont know how you would decide who the top teachers are.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:16 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
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Based on test scores: Richer areas would win. You know you could base it on how the child did last year vs his peers with his peers at the same school weighted.
Based on overall improvement: Poorer areas would win as the richer already had high scores. Yeah but you could add something to that scale that would easily fix that.
Based on level of prestige of the school: Richer areas would win.
Based on Community outreach: Poorer areas would win.
Well it seems to me if you weighted all of these things and developed a comprehensive algorithm then you could figure out who the good teachers were.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:23 pm to tigerfoot
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I really dont know how you would decide who the top teachers are.
You all sound like scouts on baseball when sabremetrics started to take over. Like I said if they can figure out how good a player will be in baseball over the NEXT 5 years, then they for sure can come up with algorithms to figure out if a person is good at educating our youth using PAST performance. Sweet baby Jesus some people act like it is hard to grade if a teacher is doing a good job. Its not its easy. The problem is bad teachers don't want to be graded.
Posted on 8/22/18 at 2:28 pm to SECdragonmaster
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