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re: Testing your kids for Gifted/Talented classes
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:37 pm to Moustache
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:37 pm to Moustache
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GT kids at my school are all doing pretty terribly in life/career.
There must not have been many if you know how all of them are doing.
Just be proud Moustache Jr got a GT test invite. Regardless of the results, the teacher thinks your kid is bright.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:37 pm to Moustache
My wife is a gifted teacher. Based on what I’ve learned from her over the years, you need to have you kid tested.
Gifted kids are part of special education because they need accommodations to help them be successful in the classroom. They learn differently, solve problems in creative ways, and grow bored very easily. Gifted kids are also prone to experiencing social anxiety and having delays in social skills development. This is why you hear that gifted kids are sometimes the “weird” kid.
Not having your kid tested doesn’t mean they won’t have the weirdness. They just won’t have the outlet to be who they are in a classroom setting. While gifted kids are often seen as more intelligent, my wife is the first to attest that gifted kids can have significant struggles learning in the classroom.
When I was teaching high school, I had a student that was one of my worst performers. Came across as lazy, barely able to read, and unable to put thoughts on paper. Found out he was gifted and I saw some of the projects he did in his gifted class. It was like looking at the work of a completely different student. He just never developed the ability to sit still, listen to a teacher, read for understanding, do class work, and take tests. He was identified very late and only was identified as gifted after being screened for special ed - the learning disabled/mental retardation kind of special ed.
Gifted kids who don’t get the kind of instruction and creative outlets they need often do find themselves struggling through life. One of my wife’s biggest worries is about her students turning to drugs later as gifted kids are more prone to drug use.
Just remember that it isn’t a competition. Gifted doesn’t mean they’re better and it’s not like applying for some Mensa program. And not testing them doesn’t mean they won’t be gifted.
Gifted kids are part of special education because they need accommodations to help them be successful in the classroom. They learn differently, solve problems in creative ways, and grow bored very easily. Gifted kids are also prone to experiencing social anxiety and having delays in social skills development. This is why you hear that gifted kids are sometimes the “weird” kid.
Not having your kid tested doesn’t mean they won’t have the weirdness. They just won’t have the outlet to be who they are in a classroom setting. While gifted kids are often seen as more intelligent, my wife is the first to attest that gifted kids can have significant struggles learning in the classroom.
When I was teaching high school, I had a student that was one of my worst performers. Came across as lazy, barely able to read, and unable to put thoughts on paper. Found out he was gifted and I saw some of the projects he did in his gifted class. It was like looking at the work of a completely different student. He just never developed the ability to sit still, listen to a teacher, read for understanding, do class work, and take tests. He was identified very late and only was identified as gifted after being screened for special ed - the learning disabled/mental retardation kind of special ed.
Gifted kids who don’t get the kind of instruction and creative outlets they need often do find themselves struggling through life. One of my wife’s biggest worries is about her students turning to drugs later as gifted kids are more prone to drug use.
Just remember that it isn’t a competition. Gifted doesn’t mean they’re better and it’s not like applying for some Mensa program. And not testing them doesn’t mean they won’t be gifted.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:37 pm to Jcorye1
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I enjoyed my gifted classes in NH. We were doing shite like designing balsa wood structures to hold weight and robotics in elementary school.
Down here it was basically just like being in AP classes.
That's how the gifted program tends to trend as you get older. Elementary school is often focused on developing critical thinking skills and creativity. High school tends to be much closer to AP classes.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:38 pm to Moustache
Wow, even this turned into the typical OT lie thread. Of course, everyone here was in gifted. 
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:38 pm to PrivatePublic
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So you think GT kids are isolated from their peers, but you keep up with the ones from your childhood enough to know their lives are terrible?
facebook brah. I can't help that some people post way too much information on social media. Some of them are doing great. My point was that school isn't necessarily an indicator of how one will leverage financial/career success later in life- and this is coming from a guy who put way too much emphasis on self-worth in my grades.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:39 pm to Moustache
You sound like you are just worried the test results will say your offspring is not gifted, thus reflecting poorly on your gene pool...
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:39 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Wow, even this turned into the typical OT lie thread. Of course, everyone here was in gifted.
To be fair, gifted people tend to skew INTJ, who then skew to internet forums and such.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:39 pm to OKellsBells
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There must not have been many if you know how all of them are doing.
You're right. I used absolute language. I should have said most. THere are a couple who are doing great.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:42 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Wow, even this turned into the typical OT lie thread. Of course, everyone here was in gifted.
So out of the hundreds or more that post on the OT, around 4 or 5 in this thread have said they were in the gifted program. Not a big deal IMO.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:42 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Wow, even this turned into the typical OT lie thread. Of course, everyone here was in gifted
Well, to be fair, people who are gifted would tend to flock to this thread based on the title.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:42 pm to Walking the Earth
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Being in gifted doesn't mean you're some math genius that's never talked to anybody. 95% of the time, they are simply students that, while sharper than average, just have better study habits and had better parental support from an early age. They mingle with geneal population socially, play sports, etc.
Dirty little secret...the classes aren't even that much more difficult.
Students are admitted based on IQ and other tests, grades in previous classes are irrelevant. ONe benefit is the opportunity to tailor the "difficulty" of the material to the individual student's ability and interests.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:42 pm to Jcorye1
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To be fair, gifted people tend to skew INTJ, who then skew to internet forums and such.
Yeah it's not surprising that the TD.com population would have a higher % of G/T students that the generic population.
It also wouldn't be surprising to see a higher % of the Special Ed students here as well.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:43 pm to DthVllyDud
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You sound like you are just worried the test results will say your offspring is not gifted, thus reflecting poorly on your gene pool...
You got me. I'll hate my son if he isn't gifted.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:43 pm to Moustache
My daughter's school suggested we have her tested for GT in 2nd grade. She ended up being the valedictorian and is majoring in chemical engineering.
GT added a few hours of math and science per week. For most of her elementary she was pulled out of regular classes a few times a week. This, along with heavy parental involvement, made her want to learn more.
I say do it.
GT added a few hours of math and science per week. For most of her elementary she was pulled out of regular classes a few times a week. This, along with heavy parental involvement, made her want to learn more.
I say do it.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:44 pm to The Dudes Rug
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Wow, even this turned into the typical OT lie thread. Of course, everyone here was in gifted.
Who'da thunk that people who were either gifted or have kids who are gifted would click on a thread titled "Testing your kids for Gifted/Talented classes".
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:44 pm to Hangit
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My daughter's school suggested we have her tested for GT in 2nd grade. She ended up being the valedictorian and is majoring in chemical engineering.
GT added a few hours of math and science per week. For most of her elementary she was pulled out of regular classes a few times a week. This, along with heavy parental involvement, made her want to learn more.
I say do it.
Thanks for the info.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:44 pm to Moustache
I was in advanced or honors classes from 8th grade on. It was so nice not to be held back by the kids who weren't very good academically. Some days when the teachers were out, I got to teach classes I'd taken the year before.
As a female, and as a nerd, I wasn't going to be average because I loved sciences,
There was never a question of "will you take advanced course work?" The assumption was to do your best.
Different age than today.
As a female, and as a nerd, I wasn't going to be average because I loved sciences,
There was never a question of "will you take advanced course work?" The assumption was to do your best.
Different age than today.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:45 pm to Moustache
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You got me. I'll hate my son if he isn't gifted.
I know you're looking for serious responses now, but your OP came in a little hot. You said it was bullshite and gifted kids are weird.
Posted on 11/9/17 at 7:46 pm to slackster
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I can tell you that studies and anecdotal evidence suggests truly gifted kids perform poorest in general classes and perform best in classes suited for their ability.
Before I was placed in GT I can remember me and a couple other kids finishing first before the other slower regular kids. Our teacher had to set up a special area of the classroom with additional stuff for us to do because we were so far ahead of the other kids in the class. Before she did that we would get easily bored because the other kids were so much slower that we would get in trouble talking in class.
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