re: Tesla in shambles; Toyota debuts electric Hilux with 140 mile range

the cons don't hit you all at once w/ evs; they slowly creep up on you over time..

- phantom 'fuel costs' as batteries lose their charge over time if not constantly plugged in and charging
- 80/20 rule on range; just because it says 300 mile range you aint getting anywhere close to that unless you are charged to 100% and drive it down to 5%....which nobody does, unlike gas vehicles where there's always a station a mile up the road so everyone runs it down to E and the light comes on.
- most states charge WAY more for yearly registration for EVs due to lost revenue from gas taxes. in TN its over $200 vs $50 for gas
- 'on the road' charging during road trips is going to run you $20-$30 or more..how much are you actually saving over gas again?
- range anxiety is real exacerbated by the fact once your car gets under 20% battery life, it starts chirping at you to find a charging station and starts disabling features making you feel like the world is going to end if you drive it down to 15 or 10%
- installation of a decent charger at your house (assuming you own your house and dont rent) will be $1k or more; $500 for the charger and $500 for install..assuming you have an open 40 or 50 in your breaker box. if you have to replace the panel; your cost just went up to $3-$5k.


in short, our tesla/EV experinment was a net negative because we only kept it a couple years and that didn't recoup our initial investment especially since i WFH full time now and didn't drive it that often.

fool me once...

You can’t have an active military regime with EV trucks.

It’s just not gonna work out. It’s gotta be diesel so they can be handed down for 20 years and multiple motars fired out the bed of the truck

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That doesn't exist.

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You are correct. I was thinking all of those recalls were on a 4.

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first a V6 in a Landcruiser

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It actually works well and has a ton of power especially with the hybrid system. Posted from a 300.

Why continue to fight it, just bring that diesel over.

The same couple that has the Teslas, were definitely not as well off as they are now during Katrina. The husband's mother was basically stranded down in southern Mississippi, he had a beater Toyota pickup to go down and get her but gas stations between NWLA and there were mostly sold out. We rigged up an external secondary fuel tank for him out of some cleaned out 40-gallon boiler chemical barrels and a 12V fuel pump and fuel hose so he could be his own gas station on the way there and back. It worked but no way could he do that now with his car. In an emergency I have 60-gallons of generator fuel between gas cans and my two vehicles, not as convenient as back-feeding from an EV but that is days of enough power to keep things going.

I was thinking the same thing or it would already be here.

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My most expensive supercharging stop has been $18. A lot of them are between $8 and $12.

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theres no way you're charging from 5% to 100% or even 80% for $20.

let's ask AI

What is average cost of supercharging tesla?

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Typical range: A full charge can cost between $19 and $46 depending on your vehicle's battery size and local rates, though this can be higher. 

Charging a Model 3: A full charge for a Tesla Model 3 might cost between $21 and $25 at an average rate, according to The Motley Fool. 

Total trip cost: For a long road trip, a 3,500-mile journey cost just over $350 in Supercharger fees, which was presented as competitive with the cost of gasoline for a comparable gas vehicle

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when i had to hit a supercharger, i just put enough to get home; like from 5% to 45% and that is easily $20+

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This is some extreme exaggeration here. Again, I frequently pull into superchargers below 5% battery.

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so the tesla doesn't go into 'low power mode' at 20%, tell you its disabling certain features and encourage you to pull into a charger as soon as possible? ok, you must have had a different model.

Let's ask AI again:

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When a Tesla's battery hits 20%, its battery icon turns yellow to indicate a low charge, and the vehicle may begin to reduce performance by limiting acceleration to conserve energy. The driver will also receive warnings on the display and should take action, such as slowing down and reducing the use of climate control. While it's safe to continue driving below 20%, it is advised to charge as soon as is practical to avoid the risk of the vehicle eventually running out of power.

What happens at 20% battery
Visual warning: The green battery icon on the display turns yellow.

Performance reduction: The car's acceleration may be limited, and the system may provide a warning about reduced acceleration.

Energy conservation: The vehicle will start to conserve energy and may recommend actions like slowing down or pulling over

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Did mine myself. Cost of materials was less than $100.

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bullshite. you can't even buy a generic charger for your house off amazon for less than $300 and you still have to install it; maybe you're comfortable pulling wire for 50amp breakers but 99% of the rest of us are not.

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Yeah, let me ask AI vs my real world usage. That makes sense.

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dude, do you have a special tesla that doesn't do these things at 20% level?

- indicator turns yellow
- 'pull into a charger' messaging on screen
- climate controls disabled
- acceleration ability reduced

please tell me which gas vehicle on the market disables your AC when you have 20% fuel remaining and i'll hang up and listen.

i loved alot of things about tesla, but it was alot more comparable in costs to an ICE than people want to admit. i outlined all those hidden fees above and i'd love for you to point out any of them that aren't true.

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A hydrogen fuel cell variant is scheduled to arrive in 2028. No word on range for that one. Credit: Toyota

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Now were talking.