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re: Teen falls 400ft off drop tower ride to his death in Orlando theme park

Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:17 pm to
It appears as if a light goes on at the operators panel when all seat harnesses/belts? are securely fastened.
This post was edited on 3/25/22 at 6:18 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:23 pm to
I just saw a news report video that before falling down the riders are leaned toward the ground. I'm thinking he was 6 foot 6 and the harness was not protective?
Posted by NastyNatiNole
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:30 pm to
There is another employee inside the ride zone. He's dressed in blue though, not red like the other 2 employees in red. The guy in blue has a 2way radio that he does key up after the accident. The employee in blue is probably the one who supposed to check the riders on that side. The video never shows him checking those kids but that doesn't mean he didn't. Might explain why the kid in red says yea "we" checked them.
Posted by RazorBroncs
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:32 pm to
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I live in the area and a buddy of mine sent me a photo he got of the kid on the ride prior to it starting and the harnest doesn’t even fit him. He’s entirely to big for it, so it looks like it wouldn’t be able to lock. I’d post the pic on here but I’m not sure how to post a pic I received through a text.


He was 100% locked in, or else the ride wouldn't have functioned at all. Have you ever ridden a roller coaster at a theme park and wondered why the attendant goes around checking everyone's shoulder harnesses, then locks the harnesses down on the empty seats?

It's because the ride has safety functions that won't allow it to even START if all the over-the-shoulder harnesses aren't ratcheted into a locking position. That's what the workers mean when they say "the light was on!", they're saying that the safety features on the ride indicated that all 30 harnesses were ratcheted down and locked into place. Otherwise the ride wouldn't have started at all, until all were safely ratcheted down in a locking position.

There could be one person on that ride and 29 empty seats, the operator couldn't have started the ride until the shoulder bars on all seats were in a locked down position.

The 14 year old kid was simply too big for the poor design and slipped under the locked bar when the ride hit the brakes at 75 mph. If the shoulder bar was simply unlocked he would've fallen out at the top of the ride when the seats tilted forward, instead he slid out when the ride hit the brakes at about 100 ft above ground level. It was mostly due to poor design and lack of a safety belt or harness that acts as a failsafe, but also partially due to his size.

That weight falling at 75mph coming to a sudden stop creates a lot of G force, and his shoulder bar wasn't low enough to keep his mass from sliding under it. A seatbelt between the legs would've totally prevented this, although the dude may have some sore nuts for a while.

The operators aren't the ones at fault here, it's the ride owners and designers that are for not forseeing this. That ride is as tall as the tallest skyscraper in Arkansas, any fall from it is deadly when humans basically die at 30+ feet of freefall.
Posted by Globetrotter747
Member since Sep 2017
5354 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:34 pm to
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I can’t believe that ride didn’t have a safety belt also. He slid right out underneath. A seatbelt would have avoided this tragedy.

As a precaution, every ride of this sort should have some kind of seatbelt across the lap or a latch that attaches the harness to the seat that will at least keep the rider from being thrown out if the harness fails for some reason.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8097 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:38 pm to
My take is the dude was just too big for the retention system.

Even if the top bar is latched enough deceleration can push a fat person through the gap.

It could be a latch failure but who knows.

Really need a belt system for backup on rides like this.

Expensive lesson for the dead kid and everyone associated with the design, maintenance, and operation of the ride system who will get their arse sued off and lose millions.

I pray to God my life doesn't ever depend on getting emergency first aid from the human slugs who take these videos and the ride operators who just watch a guy on the ground and can't even be bothered to check his vitals or administer first aid or even see if the dude is conscious.
Posted by Ancient Astronaut
Member since May 2015
37169 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:39 pm to
He was was big the safety harness gave way
Posted by tgr4ever
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Member since Jul 2011
16214 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:44 pm to
I will say- probably one of the better ways to go out. Happened so fast he probably didn’t even register what was going on.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20700 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:45 pm to
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I pray to God my life doesn't ever depend on getting emergency first aid from the human slugs who take these videos and the ride operators who just watch a guy on the ground and can't even be bothered to check his vitals or administer first aid or even see if the dude is conscious.

Kid could've landed at the emergency room entrance for johns hopkins and he wasn't gonna make it. Blaming a bunch of medically unqualified people achieves nothing. I would presume none had universal precautions to even touch the kid in his state.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13080 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:46 pm to
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That ride is as tall as the tallest skyscraper in Arkansas


OK. Is this serious or comedy? I honestly have no idea.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8097 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:50 pm to
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Kid could've landed at the emergency room entrance for johns hopkins and he wasn't gonna make it. Blaming a bunch of medically unqualified people achieves nothing. I would presume none had universal precautions to even touch the kid in his state.



Not relevant. A human being should be tended to in this situation even if there may be no chance of survival. And how is one to know if they just stand there and do nothing.

You don't just let someone lay there and say frick it, not my probs. FFS if his brains are splattered all over the ground get a tarp and cover it up.

These are the animals that walk amongst us and it's getting worse. Our culture is pretty screwed.
This post was edited on 3/25/22 at 6:52 pm
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
103577 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:54 pm to
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OK. Is this serious or comedy? I honestly have no idea


Ride is supposedly 430' tall. Arkansas' tallest building is 546'... but Alaska, Delaware, DC, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming don't have any buildings over 430' tall.
Posted by Indfanfromcol
LSU
Member since Jan 2011
14901 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 6:56 pm to
This is why the major theme parks will take 6 months to ride test before officially opening a new attraction. We can have the entire ride completed inside and out, the rule is essentially 6 months of constant testing. Icon Park in my mind is on the same level as fun spot which is on the same level as a carnival. Not something I exactly trust, with ICON park going over and beyond to have the “biggest” attraction
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27592 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 7:39 pm to
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Not relevant. A human being should be tended to in this situation even if there may be no chance of survival. And how is one to know if they just stand there and do nothing.



You watch someone jump from a skyscraper. You gonna do what CPR? Can you find the mouth? His head is probably shaped like a melon. Blood and brains from everywhere. Chest compressions? Like doing compressions on an old waterbed mattress. All you are doing is disturbing a "crime scene".
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8097 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 7:43 pm to
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You watch someone jump from a skyscraper. You gonna do what CPR? Can you find the mouth? His head is probably shaped like a melon. Blood and brains from everywhere. Chest compressions? Like doing compressions on an old waterbed mattress. All you are doing is disturbing a "crime scene".



You sure know a lot more about this guys condition than I do based on the short video.

You at least check the dude's vitals to see if he is alive. Then if there is a pulse you administer CPR.

It's how humans are supposed to treat other humans.

I'm not talking about a person who is a red stain on the concrete.

Don't be obtuse.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20700 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 7:51 pm to
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You at least check the dude's vitals to see if he is alive. Then if there is a pulse you administer CPR.


you don't do cardiopulmonary resuscitation on someone with a pulse. If you were there you just exacerbated internal injuries. Congrats on making his final moments less pleasant than necessary.
Posted by AndyCBR
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2012
8097 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:02 pm to
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you don't do cardiopulmonary resuscitation on someone with a pulse. If you were there you just exacerbated internal injuries. Congrats on making his final moments less pleasant than necessary.



You do if the motherfricker is not breathing on his own.

You may omit the chest compressions if there is a pulse but there has to be respiration to maintain life.

Your "gothca" is retarded.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
We Coming
Member since Oct 2009
10686 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:10 pm to
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He was 100% locked in, or else the ride wouldn't have functioned at all


You literally have no way AT ALL to know if this is true. 100% pure speculation.

What kind of training do the ride attendants go through?
Where did the training come from?
How often are attendants retrained or reassessed?
Was the training adequate?
Does it address specific situations like oversized riders?
What is the ride manufacturer's riding protocol and maintenance procedures?
What is the maintenance schedule?
Where are the maintenance and training records?
Are the attendants supervised?
If so, what are the supervisor's duties?
What training does he go through?
What pre-checks are done at the start of the day? During the day? Before each ride?

Those are the things that will be verified and a root/cause determined. Not automatically assuming that because the ride functioned, ZOMG he MUST'VE been locked in.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
163000 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:13 pm to
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
20700 posts
Posted on 3/25/22 at 8:19 pm to
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You do if the motherfricker is not breathing on his own.

Incorrect.
quote:

You may omit the chest compressions if there is a pulse but there has to be respiration to maintain life.

That would be administering rescue breathing.
quote:

Your "gothca" is retarded.

Your replies highlight exactly why unqualified people should steer away from fricking up a severely injured individual any further. I'd venture down to my local red cross and sign up for a course, if I were you.
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