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re: Teamsters' UPS Trainwreck Incoming
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:37 am to Contra
Posted on 7/16/23 at 7:37 am to Contra
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So instead of compensating the workers (cause it's not like UPS hasn't brought in record profits) for their hard work, these multi-millionaires at the top should keep it all for themselves and shite all over these hard workers while depending on a revolving door model for employees?
UPS once used to pay its part time employees well
they still do. More money isn't the solution today, less cost is the solution.
The arms race keeps going and most people cannot afford it. Continually paying no skilled, lowly educated people for doing work over market value is a recipe for inflation.
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Posted on 7/16/23 at 8:06 am to Contra
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UPS once used to pay its part time employees well. The wage back in 1982 was $8hr which translates to over $25hr today. The starting wage today is $15.50. Before 1982, drivers and part timers used to make the same pay at $12-$13hr. That's over $37hr today. UPS is s much larger and profitable company today.
I partially paid my way through college on part-time UPS wages loading trucks at night in Port Allen. In 2005, I started at $10/hr and quickly moved up to $12/hour. That was good money for a broke college kid. If you had a decent head on your shoulder, you could move up quickly. They tried to get me to come on full-time after college and move into management. I think they were offended that I replied my dream wasn't to work at UPS.
I'm pretty anti-union, but I do try and see things from both sides. In this case, I have experience on both sides. Part-time work at UPS is hard fricking work. You don't know heat until you've loaded trailers on a muggy, Louisiana July afternoon. Looking up current average preload/sort hourly rates, they're underpaid, imo. Is it strike worthy? Eh, if it were me, I'd just quit and find something else, but then again I've never expected anyone to give me anything.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 8:08 am to TDTOM
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Envy is such a bad look.
These folks really don't look beneath the surface of their own statements.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 8:45 am to JohnZeroQ
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Lazy asshats are everywhere. Not just in a union workplace.
I don't disagree. But it's way easier to fire a lazy asshat that's not in a union.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:34 am to Corinthians420
quote:I'm an employer. The price for providing healthcare insurance to a healthy 21 y/o is the same as for a 50 y/o. Under our "Gold Plan", we pay over $1400/month for employee and their spouse for health and dental. Does not matter how old they are or how much the go to the doctor.
I know in my 20s I went to the doctor fewer than 10 times, I'd have much rather had a bigger paycheck than great healthcare that I never used.
Young healthy people are subsidizing older people with health problems. A big reason for that is Obamacare and the stupid requirement that offspring can stay on Daddy's insurance until 26 y/o and MARRIED!
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:37 am to bayoumuscle21
I don’t understand what that has to do with anything
Just like another poster referencing sports salaries juxtaposed with labor of regular working people. That’s unfair and unrealistic to compare.
Just like another poster referencing sports salaries juxtaposed with labor of regular working people. That’s unfair and unrealistic to compare.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:37 am to greygoose
Impossible. 420 is all knowing about all things financial. If he says you should pay more, then who are you to question him?
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:47 am to Contra
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So instead of compensating the workers (cause it's not like UPS hasn't brought in record profits) for their hard work, these multi-millionaires at the top should keep it all for themselves
The way you people think is what drives me nuts many times in these kind of debates.
You make it sound like there or 10 or so old white men sitting around counting money that only they get to keep.
Never mind the bonuses and stock growth, etc for the many thousands who work there or who are retired as well as so many others who invest in the company
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:47 am to JohnZeroQ
But the difference is that unions protect those lazy asshats. This isn’t 100 years ago where unions might have filled a role ensuring worker safety and factory conditions, now they have mostly bankrupted the US Automakers, and driven the costs up on all sorts of other goods and services, while our gubbermint overreach dictates safe working conditions, with regulations preventing anyone being fatigued or working for meanies.
If there are that many of these mental midgets being unhappy making $100K/year with full benefits, let them try to make that elsewhere without any real marketable skills
If there are that many of these mental midgets being unhappy making $100K/year with full benefits, let them try to make that elsewhere without any real marketable skills
Posted on 7/16/23 at 9:54 am to Icansee4miles
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If there are that many of these mental midgets being unhappy making $100K/year with full benefits, let them try to make that elsewhere without any real marketable skills
Again, this talk of strike has nothing to do with the guys making $100k a year. This is strictly a part timer issue. The part timers have been getting screwed on wages for a while. That's the union's fault for allowing it to happen too. But this new guy seems to be trying to change that. Hoffa Jr. did nothing for the part timers.
Also, UPS is refusing to release their quarterly earnings. I wonder why.......
Posted on 7/16/23 at 10:01 am to OldmanBeasley
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Compared to 750 in MLB and 450 in the NBA. That’s why the average salary is less.
You also need to compare revenue. NFL is 16.5 billion, mlb is 10 billion, nba is 8 billion.
Salaries aren’t on par between the leagues compared to how much money each makes.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 10:36 am to Contra
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This is strictly a part timer issue.
What percentage of part timers are in queue for a full time position?
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The part timers have been getting screwed on wages for a while.
Do you really want to look at market compensation for part time and seasonal work and compare it to UPS?
This isn't serfdom. I don't think this is a debate that any Union can win.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 11:10 am to Lickitty Split
Ac stock bookmarked.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 11:12 am to bostitch
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anyone who uses the words "just hire" as an answer to a problem hasn't had to hire unskilled/semi skilled labor in a while. It is a pain in the arse if not impossible to hire now
Yup. You have to babysit basically, most folks today don't understand work or have ambition.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 11:33 am to Brotorious
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Dumb opinion. Threads like this reminds me of the overall IQ of this website.
It took awhile to become a driver, UPS paid for their schooling, decent money and benefits for young adults, even as part time workers.
And the dumbest thing said in this thread is “UPS use to only hire from a college campus. Was a time most of your UPS drivers had college degrees.”
That is total bullshite. In fact, as recently as the late 90’s when most low level management (on road, preload and reload supervisors and center managers) only had high school diplomas. I was hired in 1987 five years after getting a college degree and drove for 10 years before going into management. I was the only driver in my center with a degree. When I was hired, the DIVISION manager was only a HS graduate.
I was there in ‘97 when the IBT struck UPS. Actually, I went on vacation for the first 3 weeks and came back when it was settled. I saw the strike coming a year earlier and basically laughed at some of my co-workers who talked a lot of shite. I knew I’d be OK no matter what happened but plenty of those dumbasses would never find a job with that compensation and benefit package.
isn’t for everyone. They pay top wage and expect the highest standard of productivity, service and safety. A fair day’s work for a fair day’s pay. That’s the fricking deal. Problem is, too many employees want the biggest paycheck in the industry but don’t want to uphold their end of the bargain.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 11:41 am to Icansee4miles
You’re talking in circles and again brining up something that has nothing to do with the current strike.
UPS FT drivers aren’t the issue or the ones complaining. This strike has mostly to do with part time workers.
Not the talking points about 100K and benefits ( which is earned thru labor) and is only the top top of earners. To get to 100K you need to be at top pay and making serious OT. So again , Labor creating the wealth.
If your argument is about auto workers from 100 years ago or a few workers that can’t be fired please shut the frick up.
UPS FT drivers aren’t the issue or the ones complaining. This strike has mostly to do with part time workers.
Not the talking points about 100K and benefits ( which is earned thru labor) and is only the top top of earners. To get to 100K you need to be at top pay and making serious OT. So again , Labor creating the wealth.
If your argument is about auto workers from 100 years ago or a few workers that can’t be fired please shut the frick up.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 12:44 pm to TDTOM
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Impossible. 420 is all knowing about all things financial. If he says you should pay more, then who are you to question him?
what? the guy you are responding to was making the same point as me.
It's dumb that healthcare coverage costs the same for a 20 year old that won't use it as a 50 year old.
For the 50 year old part timer that healthcare package is well worth it as a substitute to wages. For the 20 year old that doesn't go to the doctor he'd rather just have that $1400 a month over a $1400 month healthcare plan.
Posted on 7/16/23 at 12:44 pm to WinnPtiger
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bullshite. a functioning labor market left alone will produce unions and the threat of strikes.
FIFY
Posted on 7/16/23 at 12:50 pm to Brotorious
quote:What you posted after this only lowered it more.
Threads like this reminds me of the overall IQ of this website
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My UPS guy, no matter where I’ve lived, is a part of my community, a trusted friend, that always goes above and beyond
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