re: Teacher Salaries in Louisiana

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Try going to your private sector boss and saying “I know my product hasn’t been good, but I think I’d do better if you paid me more”

How fast would you be laughed out of the office?

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It happens quite often in the private world. But teaching is not a for profit entity. The sub oar product is more a function of society in general. Private business doesn't have to take on all comers no matter their mental issues..... Your local school does and the teachers fight to make these kids functioning members of society. They lose that battle most the time. But most businesses would.

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I love this argument. Teachers will concede that the education system is subpar. Their suggestion for improving it is to pay the employees who are producing a subpar product MORE money?? Try going to your private sector boss and saying “I know my product hasn’t been good, but I think I’d do better if you paid me more”

How fast would you be laughed out of the office?

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Exactly, the only way this argument flies is for them to claim they have been deliberately doing a shitty job and they will stop doing so for more money.

This claim would get you fired with a quickness in any profession outside of governmental work.

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Actually there is a reason ESL teachers get paid less because it is not as hard. It is actually easier because they don't get raises based on grades/scores, nor are the subjected to the weekly inspections that others teachers have that go into those bonuses.

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She gets paid on par with every one in her district so I guess she's not an ESL teacher. She just teaches at a majority Hispanic school I guess. All I know is she is a 4th grade teacher and her pay is not bad at all.

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Sure there are plenty of many professions that do this, that doesn't mean they don't deserve compensation for what they've accomplished.

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You don't "deserve" shite. You exchange your services for money at the rate at which someone values your services.

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You don't "deserve" shite. You exchange your services for money at the rate at which someone values your services.

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I deserve plenty for dealing with your entitled kids. Kids that you can not handle so I have to be the one to tell them no, kids that you can not love so I have to show them love, kids that you do not know how to talk to so I will talk to them, etc.....

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She gets paid on par with every one in her district so I guess she's not an ESL teacher. She just teaches at a majority Hispanic school I guess. All I know is she is a 4th grade teacher and her pay is not bad at all.

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Yes let's not pay a higher wage to attract other possible candidates, lets actually pay less because teachers are glorified babysitters.

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Exactly! Remove all state testing, babysit and let these great parents educate Jr. from 3:30 -bedtime. Results shifted to the obvious people who can handle it.

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I will state that there is a very large percentage of teachers who are in the profession due to zero other options and the fact that they are shielded from any consequences by being government employees is a huge part of the problem.

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I can agree they have plenty of people in the profession due to the summers off only.....

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Compound that with mediocre pay and the general shitiness of kids in general these days and the best and brightest just choose to go elsewhere.

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An issue that is compounded by the fact that those that chose to go to public schools EXPECT to pass because they feel that they're doing you a favor sending their kid to public school

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Claiming that somehow raising pay across the board will resolve this is woefully ignorant and laughable on its face.

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I totally disagree, I think raising pay and making the education curriculum a minor instead of a major will enhance the job prospects. I think that teachers should have a degree in what the want to teach.

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The only thing that fixes education in the US is merit pay and holding the bad teachers accountable for their actions/efforts, yet the teachers fight this at every turn through their unions, so frick em, they can lay in the bed they continue to make.

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What is merit pay? Based on what students score? You mean when I had a student who was finished in 10 minutes on a 90 minute test because the parents told them they already failed (not true btw) but the student didn't care. Should it be based on my supervisors, who depending on if I have a good or bad relationship with would depend on my score?

So essentially you are arguing this as an adult, not a teen, not a young adult, but as a full fledge adult. Of course most of this is different for you vs the typical high school/college student.


frick I quit school in the 10th grade, worked construction, joined the military, came back and became a welder. Realized I hated it and went back to school. Partied out of it and then had to pay for it myself. Graduated from SELU and then obtained a Master's degree from LSU.

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Wish I took high school more seriously

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Then you joined the service.

Do you realize your entire life has been formed by you either taking teaching seriously or being taught get your shite straight?

As a teacher do you think our education system is where it needs to be? Answer me that. That is what I'm debating. How much time do you waste each school year doing things that you think could be used for better improvement/areas of focus. That's all I'm saying.