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re: Teacher fired for drinking in NOLA

Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:11 am to
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:11 am to
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Burton told the school system that "she didn't feel comfortable stopping the mostly parent chaperones — who had each paid $1,800 to be on the trip — from drinking," according to the Seattle Times.


She might be unattractive but at least she's pretty cool.
This post was edited on 8/11/15 at 9:12 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:19 am to
This is not a typical HS choir. They have professional facilities, travel all over the place, and make their own recordings. It's a big, big deal. Quincy Jones is a Garfield High alum, and the auditorium is named after him, so I assume he's a financial backer. LINK
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:20 am to
Well at least you can tell who is/will be the helicopter parents from this thread.

It's New Orleans, let them do their thing. It wasn't all that long ago that 18 year old high school kids were drinking legally. The more we treat HS students like kids, the longer they will act like it. Instances like this certainly don't help.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:21 am to
Sounds like they have a high standard of conduct for their choir and choir teacher. I don't have a problem with her termination.
Posted by Sal Minella
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:31 am to
You left out part of the story...

quote:

The Seattle school district may share some of the responsibility for what happened on a Garfield High School field trip during which two teenage girls were allegedly groped by a male classmate
because Burton believed he was gay and not letting him hang out with girls was "discriminatory" because he was uncomfortable hanging out with the boys; therefore, no enforcement of the rules of not having students of the opposite sex in others rules.

She's an adult, made adult decisions, faces adult consequences. Such is life.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:33 am to
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because Burton believed he was gay and not letting him hang out with girls was "discriminatory" because he was uncomfortable hanging out with the boys;


Ingenious. This young man will go far.
Posted by SabiDojo
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:33 am to
And there it is.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:34 am to
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And there it is.


Everyone was waiting for it.
Posted by brass2mouth
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:50 am to
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My thing is you are in charge of other people's children. Even though the meetings were "after hours", something could happen. A child could have a seizure, a fight could break out, an allergic reaction, etc. You just don't know. There are too many "ifs". If an emergency were to happen, you don't want to be slightly buzzed. Heck, personally, I would want to avoid the appearance of impropriety. I wouldn't want someone to question my judgment in an emergency, even if my judgment is still sound after a couple of drinks.


This X's 1000.

You're responsible for the well-being of my child, you better be stone cold sober at all times.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 9:51 am to
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Carol Burton said the Seattle superintendent's decision wasn't fair: "For some reason those two drinks seem to be more important than 14 years of service."


Another case of "Why do the rules have to apply to me?" Move along.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:04 am to
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If these meeting were after curfew, I don't see a real issue. But I was one of the cub scout dads with a flask of rum labeled "soap", so I may be biased.


While I understand your reasoning, see Sabi's point below:


quote:

My thing is you are in charge of other people's children. Even though the meetings were "after hours", something could happen. A child could have a seizure, a fight could break out, an allergic reaction, etc. You just don't know. There are too many "ifs". If an emergency were to happen, you don't want to be slightly buzzed. Heck, personally, I would want to avoid the appearance of impropriety. I wouldn't want someone to question my judgment in an emergency, even if my judgment is still sound after a couple of drinks.


It's one thing to assume risk when you are on vacation with your family. However, when you're in charge of other people's children AND breaking the clearly defined rules there is an issue. Sure, you likely weren't losing your inhibitions, or creating an unsafe situation. However, you've been entrusted with the wellbeing of someone else's children.

Granted, from your example, overnight Cub Scout events require an adult guardian be present for each boy. Nevertheless, what if one of the boys had tried to put out a fire with your "soap?" Stranger things have happened at Scout camp.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41708 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Burton told the school system that "she didn't feel comfortable stopping the mostly parent chaperones — who had each paid $1,800 to be on the trip — from drinking," according to the Seattle Times.


Legit concern. One adult confronting another adult about drinking. Were the adults required to sign an agreement before going, that said they would refrain from drinking the entire time?

However, as a teacher, she knew what the rule was. She had drinks. She should not have had drinks. Rules are rules. And honestly, this rule makes some sense.

Also, if the chaperone meeting was held in the hotel bar, who was watching the students at that time?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:13 am to
quote:

My thing is you are in charge of other people's children. Even though the meetings were "after hours", something could happen. A child could have a seizure, a fight could break out, an allergic reaction, etc. You just don't know. There are too many "ifs". If an emergency were to happen, you don't want to be slightly buzzed. Heck, personally, I would want to avoid the appearance of impropriety. I wouldn't want someone to question my judgment in an emergency, even if my judgment is still sound after a couple of drinks.

This X's 1000. You're responsible for the well-being of my child, you better be stone cold sober at all times.


God, what drama queens.
Posted by Putty
Member since Oct 2003
25919 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:17 am to
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But I was one of the cub scout dads with a flask of rum labeled "soap", so I may be biased.


I was one of those cub scout leaders with bottles of whiskey labeled "Buffalo Trace." But then again: (i) pretty much all of the kids dad's were sharing and (ii) I would not have bitched if they kicked me out on account of drinking when I wasn't supposed to be.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 8/11/15 at 10:29 am to
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Burton let male and female students hang out in each other's hotel rooms, contrary to policy. Parent chaperones are not supposed to drink on field trips, but the nightly chaperone meetings were held in the hotel bar


shite..Wish I could have been in miss Burton's class.
Posted by CaliforniaTiger
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:05 am to
tha's a little over the top, don't you think?
Posted by dat yat
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Posted on 8/11/15 at 11:06 am to
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pretty much all of the kids dad's were sharing and (ii) I would not have bitched if they kicked me out on account of drinking when I wasn't supposed to be.


That's how ours was, but with a buzkill for a leader. The main group of families camped together without the scouts anyway.

I think the main problem with the group from Seattle is that the wrong family's daughter got groped; people started asking questions and somebody had to take a fall. 2 drinks does no harm; but it gave the administrators an easy way to look like they were handling their business.

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