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re: Tampa Police Shoot and Kill Army Vet
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:48 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:48 pm to Scruffy
Most rational adults understand there are consequences to actions, including breaking the law. I’m still waiting for all these OIS cases where people were shot while holding their “dove” gun.
I also acknowledge that there have been plenty of OIS that were unjustified, and that needs to be corrected. Logic shows you can believe both to be true.
I also acknowledge that there have been plenty of OIS that were unjustified, and that needs to be corrected. Logic shows you can believe both to be true.
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:50 pm to LSUbasketballfan
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Did the guy actually commit a crime?
you're right. Should've let a guy with a long gun wearing body armor go about his day. Wait till he shoots up a school, then arrest him.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:52 pm to JiminyCricket
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but it's a shame our vets so often don't get the care they need.
you're right in some cases. but in many cases the care is available, the vets just dont go get it.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:55 pm to AwgustaDawg
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If a cop can shoot this man for toting a weapon, wearing fatigues and communication gear (thats what the sherrif's department is claiming as the reason they had to put him down) it is not that far of a stretch to imagine the same thing happening in your driveway,
its actually quite a stretch, but you seem to be doing serious mental gymnastics to rationalize your hyperbole. Carry on.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:00 pm to Sam Quint
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you're right in some cases. but in many cases the care is available, the vets just dont go get it.
If we are being honest this is true.
The early fighters, from invasion to say 2008, absolutely got fricked on post deployment training with regard to help and resources, they got nothing more than a slap on the back. It seemed to get somewhat better in 08.
Another problem who wants to lay out their issues right after you come out of the line and you want to go home? Nobody. If you tell the Army you are fricked up you arent going home for awhile. I watched guys that were clearly fricked up check every box that said they were ok, no issues.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:01 pm to Scruffy
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Well, it actually is against the law to open carry in the state of Florida.
It is, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, to carry a rifle in the state of Florida at any time UNLESS you are actively hunting, fishing, camping or traveling to do any of those activities. It is ILLEGAL to carry a rifle unconcealed in Florida FOR ANY OTHER REASON. Taking it to a gun show? It can't be seen except for brief flashes. Going to the range? Same thing. So again, the cops were absolutely correct to kill this man for such a brazen act of openly defying the will of the state......good for the state! One less idiot in the world who thinks its ok to carry a gun in public where the public can see it.....
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:06 pm to AwgustaDawg
If the OU shotgun is so precious, valuable, with great sentimental value, why isn’t it in a case?
Why do you people bend yourself into pretzels creating dumb and gay hypotheticals?
Why do you people bend yourself into pretzels creating dumb and gay hypotheticals?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:06 pm to AwgustaDawg
You may be handicapped so I’ll try to explain further. I don’t think most in this thread have said anything about it being justified. However, it is illegal to open carry in FL. Do you live in FL? Do you conceal carry? Are you purposely speaking in hyperbole and being a retard?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:06 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Yes, that is the law in Florida.
It is, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, to carry a rifle in the state of Florida at any time UNLESS you are actively hunting, fishing, camping or traveling to do any of those activities. It is ILLEGAL to carry a rifle unconcealed in Florida FOR ANY OTHER REASON. Taking it to a gun show? It can't be seen except for brief flashes. Going to the range? Same thing.
If you disagree with it, live in a state that does not have that law or change the law.
I, personally, have no qualms with the specifics of this law at this time.
quote:This is where your estrogen-fueled overly emotional state kicks in.
So again, the cops were absolutely correct to kill this man for such a brazen act of openly defying the will of the state......good for the state! One less idiot in the world who thinks it’s ok to carry a gun in public where the public can see it.....
They did not shoot him for simply carrying it.
They asked him to relinquish the firearm in accordance with Florida law.
The man refused.
Ultimately, this poor decision resulted in this regrettable outcome.
This entire event could have been avoided had he decide against breaking the law in Florida.
His death could have been prevented by relinquishing his unlawfully brandished firearm.
Again, every decision has an outcome, be it positive or negative.
This man made decisions that ended negatively.
He could have avoided this entirely.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:07 pm to rooster108bm
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I know. I've worked in the top ten for over 30 years. It's always cracked me up at their might not make it home mantra.
It is by design. It is a brain washing method used to drive a wedge between the servant and those they serve. Its pretty damned disgusting actually and it is unimaginable that so many people who are other wise convinced that government is the problem and not the answer are equally convinced that the state is infallible when it comes to policing......
It is also a GRAVE disservice to cops. Gaslighting someone is a shitty way to treat them....convincing them that their reality, the experiences they have daily, are wrong and that every minute of every shift their lives are in danger is a serious level of abuse to heap upon someone who most likely goes into a career with some idea of protecting and serving. We are not doing them any favors condoning their misconduct, we are actually making their jobs infinitely harder. But again, the state can't be wrong when it comes to policing. The state can not do anything else right but taking away someone's freedom or life is the one thing they do without incident 100% of the time.....
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:11 pm to Scruffy
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brandished firearm
Brandishing would pointing it or using it in a threatening manner.
Simply carrying it openly is not Brandishing.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:19 pm to rooster108bm
Found the sanitation worker
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:22 pm to done dancing
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Found the sanitation worker
Found a boy in blue
Eta: although I'm not a sanitation worker I don't tend to look down on them.
Between them and sewage plant workers they have saved more lives through the prevention of disease than doctors and especially leo.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:23 pm to Scruffy
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They did not shoot him for simply carrying it.
They said, in their press conference, that they shot him for carrying a gun, wearing body armor and having a communication device on his head....their words, not mine. And they are fully justified in having done so....its against the law in Florida to openly carry a firearm including a rifle, they gave him an opportunity to get rid of it, he decided not to...he had to die. The state can't be wrong. I don't know why you would claim I was emotional about agreeing with your premise....they killed the POS for carrying a rifle in public and violating the sacrosanct law of the state of florida....good for them. Would that they went about the Sunshine State killing more miscreants who have the audacity to flaunt the law in a similar fashion....
Openly carrying a firearm of any type in Florida is a second degree misdemeanor according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Similar crimes are thefts of under $100 value, simple assault (threatening to harm someone without actually doing so), disorderly conduct, first time DUI, loitering, trespassing and prowling, among others. Second degree misdemeanors in Florida are punishable by up to 60 days in jail and a fine up to $100. Or. apparently, if the second degree misdemeanor is for open carrying of a firearm summary execution on the spot. Seems about right.
It really is a shame they don't summarily execute folks for other second degree misdemeanors. There'd be less drunk driving, petty theft, rude behavior....it'd be a paradise if only the state would do its duty and execute anyone suspected of committing such a heinous act of brazen illegal activity like being loud in the presence of a cop.....
I take the point. Its a crime. He should have died.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:32 pm to rooster108bm
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Brandishing would pointing it or using it in a threatening manner.
Simply carrying it openly is not Brandishing.
Apparently in Florida it is illegal to carry a firearm in a manner that makes it visible to the public unless you are hunting, fishing, camping of traveling to do one of these activities. Seems about right, to hell with the constitution which says you can keep and bear arms, you just have to hide them from the public, in Florida, unless you are hunting, fishing, camping or traveling to one of these activities. Why so many people are OK with that is a mystery but here we are.
This does beg the question though, how do the cops know, when they summarily execute you, that you are not traveling to a camp site? Seems to be a bit ambiguous....it is entirely possible that someone may be walking to a campsite with a gun on a public easement and find themselves confronting a policeman who makes an illegal order ("drop the weapon") and it is entirely the citizens responsibility to immediately comply or die.....depsite the order being illegal due to the citizens activity, walking to a campsite, which is expressly allowed in the second degree misdemeanor law which prohibits citizens of the United States to carry a firearm that the constitution says they can keep and bear in a manner that it might be seen by the public. And we are OKEY dokey with that fricking foolishness LOL because to be otherwise means you are anti-cop, probably a communits and maybe a woman LOL.....
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:42 pm to AwgustaDawg
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how do the cops know, when they summarily execute you, that you are not traveling to a camp site? Seems to be a bit ambiguous.
Maybe not dressing like you're going into a war zone while carrying the gun outside of a case?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:47 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Taking it to a gun show? It can't be seen except for brief flashes. Going to the range? Same thing.
I have never seen a gun show, gun shop, or range where everyone is just cool with anyone walking in with an uncased or unholstered firearm.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:47 pm to VABuckeye
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Maybe not dressing like you're going into a war zone while carrying the gun outside of a case?
Good point....the world would certainly be a better place if cops could kill folks over their fashion choices....
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:50 pm to TheOcean
I don't know what else they are supposed to do.
They shot him, then rendered aid.
They shot him, then rendered aid.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 2:51 pm to AwgustaDawg
That's an interesting take on fashion. Body armor. L-O-fricking-L.
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