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re: Supreme Court strikes New York gun law in major ruling
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:56 am to Jake88
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:56 am to Jake88
quote:Thats the crazy part. In New York, simply saying that wasn’t good enough. It had to be more than the need of a “typical person of the general public.”
Qualifiers like "for self-defense" are fodder for other types of creative restrictions for the left.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:57 am to ell_13
6 conservative judges, lulz.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:57 am to ell_13
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Even in New York having one in your house requires a license. That is still fine
There’s nothing fine about restricting a constitutional right that was already re-established over 10 years ago. Gotta have a permit to keep a gun in my house? Lol
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:00 am to jcaz
To buy a gun in New York you have to be licensed, yes. The court is fine with the state going through background checks and providing that license document. There’s no extra burden than buying it anywhere else now that this law removes the “special needs” clause.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:02 am to ell_13
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To buy a gun in New York you have to be licensed, yes.
Which is horseshite.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:03 am to ell_13
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Gun violence has now surpassed motor vehicle crashes as the leading cause of death among children and adolescents.
That's gotta be absolute bullshite.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:03 am to Centinel
It’s basically a document saying you bought the gun legally. The process is the same. Go to buy a gun… background check… proof of ID, etc. but they give you a license too. It’s not as burdensome or different as you think. The extra burden to prove you need that gun for a special case has been struck down here.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:04 am to RLDSC FAN
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he Constitution protects “an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.”
One solution to the Soros DA problem.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:04 am to ell_13
In New York (and other 2A slave states) open carry was illegal and concealed carry required a permit that basically nobody could obtain. Effectively cancelling 2A rights outside of the home.
Not to worry, New York has a tall stack of laws waiting to go into play that possession of a firearm will be illegal at most places in the state, and the court process will start all over again. If you can be issued a permit, but not allowed to carry anywhere == same result.
Not to worry, New York has a tall stack of laws waiting to go into play that possession of a firearm will be illegal at most places in the state, and the court process will start all over again. If you can be issued a permit, but not allowed to carry anywhere == same result.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:04 am to Vamos Brandonos
quote:It did for 2020… when violence skyrocketed in the young adult age range… and what else happened in 2020? Lockdowns. People weren’t driving. Fewer wrecks. For 2022, it will be reversed again.
That's gotta be absolute bullshite.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 10:06 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:06 am to Vamos Brandonos
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That's gotta be absolute bullshite.
It is, which is why progs love the term "gun violence" since it effectively sidesteps the real issue.
They can't address "gun violence" because they have no clue what it really is. Its a catch all term to grab data, but totally lacks context.
purposeful obscuration.
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:06 am to RLDSC FAN
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Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the majority that the Constitution protects “an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.”
We need to make sure he lives another 30 years.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:06 am to ell_13
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This is Breyer’s first paragraph in his dissent. Absolutely nothing to do with what is legal. And everything to do with feelings while ignoring decades worth of trends and facts.
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In 2020, RRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
FIFY
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:07 am to RLDSC FAN
6-3. Those "jurors" on the left are a joke.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:08 am to ell_13
There has been a 33% increase in gun homicides since 2019 for adolescents. Access to guns since 2019 hasn’t dramatically changed. Maybe someone should start looking for the reason behavior has changed instead of blaming inanimate hunks of metal.
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:08 am to ell_13
Did Breyer address how
would be affected by this:
The ruling from Justice Thomas is about the ability to open carry outside of the home. Does Justice Breyer actually think if people aren't allowed to open carry the number of people killed by firearm or mass shootings will decrease? Are the people going around murdering people going to draw the line or breaking the law as to whether or not they can carry the firearm outside of their house?
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In 2020, 45,222 Americans were killed by firearms. See Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Fast Facts: Firearm Violence Prevention (last updated May 4, 2022) (CDC, Fast Facts), LINK / firearms/fastfact.html. Since the start of this year (2022), there have been 277 reported mass shootings—an average of more than one per day.
would be affected by this:
quote:
Justice Clarence Thomas wrote for the majority that the Constitution protects “an individual’s right to carry a handgun for self-defense outside the home.”
The ruling from Justice Thomas is about the ability to open carry outside of the home. Does Justice Breyer actually think if people aren't allowed to open carry the number of people killed by firearm or mass shootings will decrease? Are the people going around murdering people going to draw the line or breaking the law as to whether or not they can carry the firearm outside of their house?
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:09 am to RLDSC FAN
Alito wrote a response to the dissent basically saying what I’ve said:
Alito is a fricking badass
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Much of the dissent seems designed to obscure the spe- cific question that the Court has decided, and therefore it may be helpful to provide a succinct summary of what we have actually held. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U. S. 570 (2008), the Court concluded that the Second Amendment protects the right to keep a handgun in the home for self-defense. Heller found that the Amendment codified a preexisting right and that this right was regarded at the time of the Amendment’s adoption as rooted in “‘the natural right of resistance and self-preservation.’” Id., at 594. “[T]he inherent right of self-defense,” Heller ex- plained, is “central to the Second Amendment right.” Id., at 628.
Although Heller concerned the possession of a handgun in the home, the key point that we decided was that “the people,” not just members of the “militia,” have the right to use a firearm to defend themselves. And because many peo- ple face a serious risk of lethal violence when they venture outside their homes, the Second Amendment was under- stood at the time of adoption to apply under those circum- stances. The Court’s exhaustive historical survey estab- lishes that point very clearly, and today’s decision therefore holds that a State may not enforce a law, like New York’s Sullivan Law, that effectively prevents its law-abiding res- idents from carrying a gun for this purpose.
That is all we decide. Our holding decides nothing about who may lawfully possess a firearm or the requirements that must be met to buy a gun. Nor does it decide anything about the kinds of weapons that people may possess. Nor have we disturbed anything that we said in Heller or McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U. S. 742 (2010), about re- strictions that may be imposed on the possession or carry- ing of guns.
In light of what we have actually held, it is hard to see what legitimate purpose can possibly be served by most of the dissent’s lengthy introductory section. See post, at 1–8 (opinion of BREYER, J.). Why, for example, does the dissent think it is relevant to recount the mass shootings that have occurred in recent years? Post, at 4–5. Does the dissent think that laws like New York’s prevent or deter such atroc- ities? Will a person bent on carrying out a mass shooting be stopped if he knows that it is illegal to carry a handgun outside the home? And how does the dissent account for the fact that one of the mass shootings near the top of its list took place in Buffalo? The New York law at issue in this case obviously did not stop that perpetrator.
Alito is a fricking badass
This post was edited on 6/23/22 at 10:19 am
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