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re: Suppose you discovered there is no afterlife
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:38 pm to AndyJ
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:38 pm to AndyJ
quote:I’m not history buff, but are Christians a new concept?
Right because your morality becomes relative, and you can justify whatever actions any way you want.
If I ever go through a spiritual journey, it wont have been for a single religious person I have EVER met.
Idk who I’d trust less. I group of leftists or a group of religious people. Both are disgusting with how they use their political/religious capital to better themselves and put others down.
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Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:39 pm to fightin tigers
quote:They’re going to hit you with “without the afterlife and Christianity as a whole, YOU have no clue what good is.”
Just to understand, you'd be a complete piece if shite if there weren't afterlife consequences?
They gatekeep the frick out of being good.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:39 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:40 pm to SidewalkTiger
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How did you discover that there's no afterlife?
Have the same proof you do that there is one.
I wont try to change your opinion on it.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
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They’re going to hit you with “without the afterlife and Christianity as a whole, YOU have no clue what good is.”
Christianity didnt create the afterlife. There merely copy every other religion or pagan belief.
It works though.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:43 pm to fightin tigers
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Have the same proof you do that there is one.
I think even the most ardent Christians would have to admit that they really don't know 100%, we live by faith, not by sight.
For all of mankind's knowledge and power, there remain some common barriers. We all die and none of us know exactly what happens when we do.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:43 pm to ReauxlTide222
I mean "good" is subjective if there is no moral tether attached.
I do agree though, and regularly push back against those who say otherwise, that people can be "good" without God.
I do agree though, and regularly push back against those who say otherwise, that people can be "good" without God.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:44 pm to fightin tigers
What makes you think your request for forgiveness was granted?
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:44 pm to prplhze2000
Wouldn't change me or my choices. Im not suddenly or gradually going to become an immoral person. Im not going to start stealing, or cheat on my wife, or beat the crap out of people. I'll keep going out of my way to put my grocery cart back along with others that might damage someone else's vehicle. My cake is baked.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:45 pm to fightin tigers
quote:I’m extremely ignorant when it comes to this stuff.
Christianity didnt create the afterlife. There merely copy every other religion or pagan belief.
I just know there are a few things I personally cannot get past. And nobody has ever even made decent sense to me when trying to help me.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:46 pm to ReauxlTide222
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I just know there are a few things I personally cannot get past. And nobody has ever even made decent sense to me when trying to help me.
Like what?
Not going to try to convince you of everything but I like sharing honest thoughts with folks on subjects like this.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:46 pm to TigerFanDan
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What makes you think your request for forgiveness was granted
Now? I've never asked for forgiveness except to the person I transgressed/hurt/etc.
Before? Religious dogma.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:47 pm to RandySavage
quote:Seems subjective with the tether as well.
I mean "good" is subjective if there is no moral tether attached.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:47 pm to prplhze2000
I would live about the same.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:48 pm to Jake88
It's an impossible question to answer because none of us really know how we would react if our worldview was upended.
My most honest answer is that I think I would still try to treat everyone with respect and with good intentions but would have a much shorter fuse with those I see as "other". For example, I would probably be much more inclined to act on my instinct for a pound of flesh over this latest political violence or against those pushing and enforcing COVID lockdowns, vaccine mandates etc...
My most honest answer is that I think I would still try to treat everyone with respect and with good intentions but would have a much shorter fuse with those I see as "other". For example, I would probably be much more inclined to act on my instinct for a pound of flesh over this latest political violence or against those pushing and enforcing COVID lockdowns, vaccine mandates etc...
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:51 pm to RandySavage
quote:Not really. Good morals are a great asset for a calmer more peaceful and prosperous life.
I mean "good" is subjective if there is no moral tether attached
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:52 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
Seems subjective with the tether as well.
How so? It's pretty well spelled out, especially in the New Testament.
If this is a setup for a gotcha like I predict that doesn't mean Christians don't go against what they know is right and "good" at times. The point is "good" doesn't change and we continue to strive for it despite setbacks.
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:53 pm to Jimbeaux
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we include the existence of God along with the notion of afterlife, what do you base your morality on? And what makes other moral codes better or worse?
Exactly. If God doesn’t exist, then there’s no such thing as good & bad or right & wrong. God is the standard we base those things on. Without Him, every moral code is relative.
We can’t have a conversation about good & bad or right & wrong if you don’t believe in God.
This post was edited on 9/12/25 at 5:22 pm
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:55 pm to RandySavage
quote:Who is behaving simply because they might not get to Heaven? That person is probably already acting immorally.
It's an impossible question to answer because none of us really know how we would react if our worldview was upended
quote:Not me. I have more than the afterlife to consider.
I would probably be much more inclined to act on my instinct for a pound of flesh over this latest political violence or against those pushing and enforcing COVID lockdowns, vaccine mandates etc...
Posted on 9/12/25 at 4:56 pm to ReauxlTide222
quote:
I’m extremely ignorant when it comes to this stuff.
I just know there are a few things I personally cannot get past. And nobody has ever even made decent sense to me when trying to help me.
Not sure what you are asking. The afterlife isn't a Christian invention or unique belief. They have some unique qualifiers maybe.
Tracing the roots of most holidays of major religions are just based on lunar calendars and then converted into religious holidays. Same pagan or agnostic calendar. (Havests, solstice, etc)
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