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re: Suppose you discovered there is no afterlife
Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:29 pm to prplhze2000
Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:29 pm to prplhze2000
How would I discover there isn’t an afterlife without having a living conscious when I get there to be able to think and process that there is no afterlife?
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Posted on 9/13/25 at 5:55 pm to Prodigal Son
quote:I've been having a decent dialog with several Christians in this thread so I don't find it pointless and evidently neither did they.
ridiculous to even have this conversation. It’s akin to arguing with someone who believes that air doesn’t exist.
But we can find common ground here I think: if your entire argument in support of your beliefs is that they're self-evident and that's where you rest your case then it's certainly ridiculous for you, yourself, to have this conversation.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:00 pm to northshorebamaman
K. 
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Did you read his question and what he was responding to?
No, I didn't follow the entire thread.
So if I took something out of context, mea culpa.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:06 pm to prplhze2000
I figured everyone with a brain assumed this as the most likely scenario by now.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:09 pm to The Third Leg
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everyone with a brain
Im terrible with names but I'm pretty certain we've found you wanting in this department. I guess humility is still pending.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:16 pm to GRTiger
Yeah, sure thing, I’m retarded. Ya got me.
Posted on 9/13/25 at 6:35 pm to The Third Leg
I don't think you're retarded, though your emotional tantrum definitely checks out.
I also don't think you're nearly smart enough to trash talk anyone else's intelligence. I'd stick to working on myself if I were you.
I also don't think you're nearly smart enough to trash talk anyone else's intelligence. I'd stick to working on myself if I were you.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:29 am to northshorebamaman
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And I was once a theist. Why is this relevant?
Because it establishes that I have arrived at my beliefs on my own.
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Buddhism in many of its forms doesn’t posit a creator god, and millions of practicing Buddhists today build their ethical lives around it. Confucianism still guides social and moral norms in East Asia without requiring an afterlife. And plenty of people live by secular moral philosophies from existentialism to utilitarianism to virtue ethics, that thrive in cultural and personal practice today. So not only do these frameworks exist, they’re not fringe. They shape entire cultures and millions of lives right now.
Which countries are these?
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Many? Sure. All, nope. Remember that your claim is that "people don’t actually believe there is no God, nor that there is no afterlife" which begs the question: What exactly does faith mean to you and if we're born with it and it's inherent to all of us, what is its value and how does it differ from instinct? I'll say it again: the irony is that by insisting nobody really disbelieves, you've undercut your own theology. You’ve turned your own faith into biological background noise. Something with no merit because it requires no courage, no doubt, and no decision.
You can’t go through life and not believe there is no God. I simply can not think that someone who has the ability to comprehend basic math can realistically say there is no God. What makes faith special is the acknowledgement of it and the implementation of the teachings of it. God has not given up on anyone. Regardless of where they come from or what they’ve done. What I am implying is that we are all born with that relationship. He created all of us. It isn’t something that some people can have and others can’t.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 12:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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There are still tribes that remain uncontacted by modern society that formed pre-Christianity. There was never an opportunity for them to know of Jesus.
Oh I’m sorry. So 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the world’s population. You are correct.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:31 am to prplhze2000
It wouldn’t change me…i am pretty much agnostic but I do believe in a lot of the Bible’s teachings. I try to treat others as I would like to be treated. I believe in helping the less fortunate…you never know what circumstances put them in their situation. When I was married my wife would get so mad when I gave homeless people money. Guaranteed they were better people than she turned out to be.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 3:30 am to jnethe1
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Because it establishes that I have arrived at my beliefs on my own.
I appreciate that, but I’ve never doubted the sincerity of your beliefs or questioned whether you reached them independently. I think you’re engaging in good faith.
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Which countries are these?
China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand all have millions living without a personal God or guaranteed afterlife.
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You can’t go through life and not believe there is no God. I simply can not think that someone who has the ability to comprehend basic math can realistically say there is no God.
That’s a claim you can’t possibly prove. Being unable to imagine someone else thinking differently from you isn’t evidence that they can’t. The fallacy seems obvious.
If faith is universal, it becomes trivial. There’s no virtue in something nobody can avoid. If it isn’t universal, then by definition some people genuinely live without it. You can’t have it both ways.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 4:03 am to mudshuvl05
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Folks, this is a righteous man in our midst. I'll reconsider my faith
Dude came in with his opinion and your retort with sarcasm is just fascinating.
How insecure are you?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:24 am to jnethe1
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Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:48 am to prplhze2000
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Suppose you discovered there is no afterlife
How would one discover there is no afterlife? If there is no afterlife, he would just cease to exist and have no conscience awareness of anything.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:16 pm to northshorebamaman
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China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, and Thailand all have millions living without a personal God or guaranteed afterlife.
They will know one day.
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That’s a claim you can’t possibly prove. Being unable to imagine someone else thinking differently from you isn’t evidence that they can’t. The fallacy seems obvious.
Not if you apply critical thinking about it.
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If faith is universal, it becomes trivial. There’s no virtue in something nobody can avoid. If it isn’t universal, then by definition some people genuinely live without it. You can’t have it both ways.
It’s not that it can’t be avoided, it’s the fact that so many choose to not take the path that makes it special. It is not an easy path. To deny yourself of your own desires in order to walk the path that God wants for you. Jesus once said: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it". This path is known, we are all born with that relationship. But most of us choose to ignore it and indulge in our own desires.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 1:30 pm to jnethe1
Fair enough. I'll close my end here by asking you to consider the possibility myself and a lot of other people possess enough critical thinking to understand what an idiotic decision it would be to trade eternity burning in hell fire for a few decades of hookers and blow so the fact that I'm walking into work right now instead of sitting in a pew is a strong indicator that I have no built-in faith. 
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:14 pm to jnethe1
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It’s not that it can’t be avoided, it’s the fact that so many choose to not take the path that makes it special. It is not an easy path.
Yes, it is.
1. Most people in this part of the country are Christians who were raised by Christians. It isn’t called the Bible Belt for no reason. So most theists here just adopt what they have been taught by their family and culture without a lot of intense critical thinking. The odds of David, a caucasian from rural Alabama, becoming a Hindu or Muslim are nearly zero.
2. People whose beliefs are counter to the mainstream can be ostracized by family and society and see opportunities diminished. If you were an atheist and owned a small business in Mississippi, would you want it known that you don’t believe in God? What if you had aspirations of being governor or president? Is an atheist even electable?
3. Right or wrong, atheists face a tougher reality head on. When a loved one passes, that’s it. There’s no belief that there will be a reunion in Heaven. If you’re a Christian and your earthly life isn’t exactly amazing, at least you *think* there’s something better ahead for you. The atheist who’s too old to get around or is serving life imprisonment or is rock bottom broke doesn’t have any assurances of something better. The atheist must be mentally stronger in tough times.
So I don’t know what’s so difficult about being a Christian. Be a decent person, go to church here and there, and believe comforting ideas that people have instilled in you since the cradle?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:17 pm to Globetrotter747
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3. Right or wrong, atheists face a tougher reality head on.
Nah. Nothing is off the table for you folks. You can be/do anything.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah. Nothing is off the table for you folks. You can be/do anything.
What can I do that you cannot?
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