re: Suboxone is as bad or worse than true opiates

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Sorry, but I can’t consider taking a drug willingly an epidemic. An epidemic is a disease that can be contracted uncontrollably like cancer, flu, chicken pox, etc.

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What about paranoid schizophrenic? do you consider that a disease?

What are your medical qualifications before I decide whether or not I give a shite about what you think???

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Some people who work with asbestos get lung cancer and mesothelioma. Some do not. T

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And we banned asbestos in the 70s, despite it being an enormously useful product.

So why not ban opiates now, or seriously restrict them to, say, terminal patients. Is preventing pain worth the epidemic of addiction?

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Are you really claiming you spent 18k per month on opiates?

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Can you imagine rolling out of bed about 3pm grabbing a handful of pills off the night table, washing them down with a stale warm beer from the night before and the next thought in your head is "frick, I gotta get up, all those dicks aren't going to suck themselves"?

In all seriousness, while it is the OT and I am
going out of my way to TRY to be funny I do have sympathy (fortunately no option for empathy) for those addicted to opiates. Huge numbers of them get hooked just relieving pain. I do have empathy for the pain suffers, I spent most of my life never having pain a handful of aspirin or naproxen sodium wouldn't fix but a few years ago I got a toothache on a Friday night that was like nothing I had ever felt, while I got into my dentist on Sunday AM the roots on the wisdom tooth were long enough and angled in a way that neither my dentist or her husband (also a dentist who came in with her that morning) were willing to extract so I had to live with it until Tuesday AM for an oral surgeon to get the damn thing out of my head. By Saturday night with no sleep in over 40 hours and no escape from the pain I would have shot heroin if I had had it (100% serious), had it been chronic I guarantee you I would be eating pills all day err day.

One of the greatest victories of medicine will be the discovery of a pain killer (masker) that has no addictive properties and can be used long term with little to no ill effects on the body.

So why did you have to take suboxone in the first place? Edit he already said

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Opiates also contain Acetaminophen(Tylenol) to discourage abuse because of its added negative effects from overdosing.

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Tylenol is not added to opiates as an abuse deterrent. It is synergistic with opiates to relieve pain and a pretty good pain reliever when taken appropriately and in moderation. There was actually a lot of complaints when Hydrocodone/Tylenol switched the Tylenol portion from 500mg-->325 (when Lortab was replaced by Norco) from patients who took it for pain that it was less effective.

On the same note, it does make recreational use less safe, but that was never the intent behind the addition of Tylenol to opiates.

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Wouldn’t it be better to do medically supervised detox than to substitute one addiction for another?

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Detox is good short term to prevent withdrawal.
Buprenorphine long term allows the hesitant to quit person a better chance at staying clean when they gradually wean themselves down safely and make the decision to quit rather than. Quitting cold turkey.

You could detox and quit, but the recurrence rate is higher than being on a "maintenance" therapy and slowly weaning yourself as you learn to cope with a life without opiates. This could be done in a supervised detox setting, but the cost to society and to the individual to remain out of society and in the detox center for months at a time is typically far too high.

It is all a scam by big pharm. All the supposed opiate treatment medications of methadone and suboxones have worse withdrawals and at some clinics you can pick what dosage you want to take. Wtf. A buddy went to a methadone clinic and was bragging about getting to choose how much to take as he was getting fricked up. He learned real quick about withdrawals from running out and not getting any until the next day or two.

If you quit your opiate addiction it usually takes a week or two for the major withdrawal to pass. Methadone and suboxones can take much longer.

The best alternative is Kraton which is a tree leaf that you take and help curb withdrawal and cravings. It can cost $100 a kilo and it only takes 2-10 grams per dosage to work. So you can see how it is a threat to big pharm. And now the DEA is trying to ban it and had a temp ban in place in late 2016.

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Started with 5mg norco. For two blown out elbows. Simple, honest need. Until my months supply was up in 8-10 days, then it was up in 4-5 days etc. had to hit the streets. That’s how it happens. And it happens a lot. A whole lot.

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So you didn’t follow your script and then you went to an illegal source. How is that the doctors fault or the pharm companies fault?

The only “epedemic” I see here is that you decided getting fricked up was more important than following your prescription.

Good luck man.

Yep. You traded one dragon for another basically. Shitty that people in your situation were told different.

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What else would you call someone that does the same thing over and over despite destructive consequences every time. It’s insanity. Insanity is a mental disease.

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I just can't endorse this line of thought. By that rationale, overindulgence of anything is a disease; be it smoking (which tOT hates), eating fatty foods, driving too fast, being in debt, engaging in criminal behavior, the list goes on... These actions all have known negative consequences, yet people continue to do them. Where do we draw the line and say that there's some level of personal responsibility that goes into decision making?