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re: Study of Biggest Losers finds that the body wants and will fight to be Fat

Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:27 pm to
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:27 pm to
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Kujo


Ain't no melt like a hungry fatass melt.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
Member since Jan 2012
17823 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 4:28 pm to
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Dr. Margaret Jackson, who is directing a project at Pfizer. Her group is testing a drug that, in animals at least, acts like leptin, a hormone that controls hunger.
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Amazing that a drug company is involved in the research. Just trying to figure out a away to sell the sheep more drugs that they done need.

I know, right?! It's crazy that a drug company would try to develop a profitable drug!
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:14 pm to
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hungry fatass melt.


This sounds like something I could order at Whataburger or something and it would be delicious.
Posted by tigersownall
Thibodaux
Member since Sep 2011
17204 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:40 pm to
Being fat has always been a sign of wealth
Posted by deNYEd
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2007
9703 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:47 pm to
for the keto fans KETO FAIL

Summation: No metabolic advantage of consuming a Ketogenic Diet vs a Higher Carbohydrate diet.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 5:49 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106060 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:50 pm to
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He quit his job as a land surveyor to do it.


Isn't surveying a pretty active job where you're on your feet walking around all day? Maybe he shouldn't have quit.
Posted by Jarlaxle
Calimport
Member since Dec 2010
2876 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 5:51 pm to
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I know, right?! It's crazy that a drug company would try to develop a profitable drug!



I know right?! Instead of teaching people to stop eating so much sugar and processed grains and high carbohydrate fast foods. Lets just make a pill that will make it all go away. Crazy?! Lets just profit off of ignorance and instead just spend millions doing it.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:25 pm to
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Keto fail


Look, I am all about metabolic flexibility with appropriate use/timing of carbs, but low carb diets out perform low fat (high carb diets by default)

LINK

This journal article was co-authored by 26 leaders in nutrition science....

[The inability of current recommendations to control the epidemic of diabetes, the specific failure of the prevailing low-fat diets to improve obesity, cardiovascular risk, or general health and the persistent reports of some serious side effects of commonly prescribed diabetic medications, in combination with the continued success of low-carbohydrate diets in the treatment of diabetes and metabolic syndrome without significant side effects, point to the need for a reappraisal of dietary guidelines. The benefits of carbohydrate restriction in diabetes are immediate and well documented. Concerns about the efficacy and safety are long term and conjectural rather than data driven. Dietary carbohydrate restriction reliably reduces high blood glucose, does not require weight loss (although is still best for weight loss), and leads to the reduction or elimination of medication. It has never shown side effects comparable with those seen in many drugs. Here we present 12 points of evidence supporting the use of low-carbohydrate diets as the first approach to treating type 2 diabetes and as the most effective adjunct to pharmacology in type 1. They represent the best-documented, least controversial results. The insistence on long-term random- ized controlled trials as the only kind of data that will be accepted is without precedent in science. The seriousness of diabetes requires that we evaluate all of the evidence that is available. The 12 points are sufficiently compelling that we feel that the burden of proof rests with those who are opposed]








This is figure 9 from the article. I cannot emphasize the importance of understanding this enough (the article also stresses this).

Pink bars are low carb group.

Note the improvements in weight, glucose control (HbA1c), HDL and trigycerides (as pointed out on the chart). Improvement in all metabolic parameters.

With regards to the researcher in your 2 month jailhouse simulation study....





This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 8:39 am
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22546 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 7:41 pm to
He just scienced your arse. Plus who gives a shite. Move around and stop eating shite food all the time.

This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted by skrayper
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Member since Nov 2012
35903 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:04 pm to
When I decided to lose weight, the first thing I did was count calories. When I did that, I found I ate healthier anyway because then I could get more food for the calories.

I also tried to figure out a way to curb cravings. Right than power through them or try to ignore them, I found alternatives.

When I want something sweet, I specifically will go for either a honey crisp apple, or a bowl of lightly sweetened cereal like Fiber One honey oat clusters.

Most of my meals still included meats, but typically very lean ones like turkey or tuna. Tuna sandwiches with sandwich rounds worked like a charm.

I got out of the good eating habits when my wife and I got married and I moved to a town with great eating. That said, lately I've lost weight again by getting a job that got me out of my desk a lot (I'm an IT Analyst, but the new one requires me to visit individuals a lot - just walking to and from the parking deck and around the building I get 2-3 miles a day (I loaded a pedometer onto my smartphone to verify just how much I've been walking). In just that time frame (started the job 3 months ago), I've dropped from 195 to 170.

Everything I've read stresses to lose the weight slowly (barring a medical condition that requires you to take the weight off quickly). The site I utilized to track my calorie count recommended no more than 2lbs a week - mostly because if you lose it too fast, as others have pointed out, your body goes into starvation mode and it becomes a lot harder all of a sudden to lose the last bit of fat.

Anyway, it was a good site. It takes your weight and tells you what your resting calorie intake is and tells you what you need to eat to lose X number of lbs per week. You can input any exercise you get, and in a way you can reward yourself with a bit more food if you get in the exercise.

I did find, however, that lifting weights doesn't burn NEARLY as many calories as cardio does. That's why when I went to the gym, I always did a cardio routine plus which ever muscle group I was working that day.

Cardio to lose weight and help the heart.
Weight lifting to gain muscle.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22546 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:17 pm to
I love a good novel.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22546 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:19 pm to
Though I disagree with you on the weights but what evs
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:39 pm to
You can argue that lifting burns more calories until you're blue in the face. I look at a group of serious runners, and I look at group of gym rats. I see more beer bellies in the gym rats by far (and I'm talking about guys who lift seriously 5 days a week still being fat....strong, but fat). I personally have seen way more results from equal time spent doing cardio. I don't deny the benefits of strength training. And I don't deny that it has a fat burning side. But an hour running will burn more calories than an hour lifting. Mostly because you really aren't lifting but maybe half that time, but still time could be better spent if looking to purely lose weight.
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 8:40 pm
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22546 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:48 pm to
Yeah but you won't have shoulder boulders. #gainz
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:52 pm to
Most runners I see are skinny fat. Sorry you don't get a good physique from running.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:02 pm to
Most guys in the gym are swole fat. We can both play that game. I'm not talking physique. I'm talking body fat. Only way a guy who lifts is getting really cut and getting low body fat is by seriously monitoring his diet.

I eat what I want, but run, swim, or bike about an hour a day and the body fat has been falling off. I watched what I ate while working out (not super hardcore, but I consciously tried not to pig out) and although I definitely got more muscular, I never lost a noticeable amount of body fat. What's funny is that through swimming and biking, I've actually kept a lot of the muscle mass in my arms and legs (legs are actually getting more muscular although I doubt I could squat as much).

I'm not saying there aren't benefits to weights for body image. But I don't buy the "you'll burn more fat lifting" statement.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:13 pm to
Most guys you see in the gym are concerned solely with getting bigger so they are not monitoring their diet. Besides your diet should be your focus in losing body fat not your workout.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91616 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:20 pm to
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need to add in exercise, though. for overall health and weight. i'll probably start with HIIT (T25 again) and may add in some weights





T25 is a good program. I did insanity first and lost a lot of weight, but some of that was muscle. Just too much cardio and not enough weight training.

T25 you atleast get free weight/ resistance band work outs and from there I would just add my own routine after to add more to the weight training. I didn't lose as much weight, but I also didn't have to go down a shirt size because my shoulders chest and arms didn't shrivel up.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:28 pm to
Again, just arguing the other side, most runners don't care about body fat either. They are just looking to improve times. If they watch their diet, it's for health reasons, likely not body fat concerns. The weight still pours off if you aren't eating additional calories.

Only place I even think about weight is on my bike. I could pay 2 grand more for a bike that is 5 pounds lighter, or I could just work 5 lbs off. I don't intentionally concentrate on that, but it's a benefit. That 5 lbs gets me half a mph, or a few minutes in a long triathlon.
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51421 posts
Posted on 5/3/16 at 7:12 am to
Wait, were researchers surprised that your metabolism is higher when you have to carry around 500lbs of weight vs 200??

Either they think we are dumb or they are dumb.
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