re: Study: Illicit opioid deaths to rise by 147 percent by 2025

Yeah, anyone who has had a close relative or friend get addicted to something would never post that. I went through some tough stuff with an alcoholic that is probably a 5 out of 10 in terms of difficulty compared to opioids.

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'm not sure that it really goes away. My grandfather would sometimes say that "I could smoke a cigarette as long as that coffee table". It's the same way with opiates. Sometimes out of nowhere the craving hits. It's hard for people to understand that have never been there. It's easy to say "just quit".

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They could take the drug out of your blood but not your mind

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Because the industry tells them they have to treat pain like a 5th vital sign. Also...many of the meds they were prescribed they were told were not as addictive as other opioids.

As a nurse I was taught over and over "Pain is the 5th vital sign" "Don't forget to treat the patient's pain" "Pain is whatever the patient says it is". Didn't want those patient satisfaction scores for the hospital going down cause the patient had pain. So don't hesitate to give them pain meds and make sure to get the doctor to order them pain meds. Again...can't have those scores going down.

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I remember watching something about opioids and how, sometime in the 1990s the "medical world" started to treat pain different than in the past, they never wanted a patient to be in pain. Do whatever they have to do to make sure the patient is completely comfortable, but when you mention how it's all about the scores, that makes it even more fricked up.

There is no way in hell all of these doctors didn't know all of these opioids were addictive as they were. I remember when I had back surgery when I was in 4th grade (rods put in my back) and I was still in pain several days after and my mom telling me that they can only give me so much morphine because if someone takes too much they will need it all the time. I can't buy the bullshite that these doctors didn't know how addictive these drugs were.

I have zero fricks to give on this subject.

My family history records how my gg grandfather became a lifelong morphine addict after being wounded in the Civil War. It came up from New Orleans by steamboat. When the boat was late, he would have "screaming fits."

Oh well

Play stupid games

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A pill that helps people everyday as long as you don’t take 20 and drink a 12 pack at one time is the villain because people don’t have self control

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People act like it is impossible to take these things at a normal pace and not become some kind of junkie. I take one or two every now and again at night just to chill and watch TV. I've never once had the urge to increase that dose or take it during a work day or really at any other time or for any other purpose. I don't think the drug is the problem, it's the person abusing them.

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People act like it is impossible to take these things at a normal pace and not become some kind of junkie. I take one or two every now and again at night just to chill and watch TV. I've never once had the urge to increase that dose or take it during a work day or really at any other time or for any other purpose. I don't think the drug is the problem, it's the person abusing them.

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4 or 5 years ago it was pretty common for guys here to post about pills as part of their weekend plans. Like you, it was NBD to them. You dont see that anymore. Maybe they wised up, maybe they OD'd or went to jail. But they ain't around any more.

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No one is forced to take an opiote.

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exactly my point

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4 or 5 years ago it was pretty common for guys here to post about pills as part of their weekend plans. Like you, it was NBD to them. You dont see that anymore. Maybe they wised up, maybe they OD'd or went to jail. But they ain't around any more.

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Or maybe they still do it and just never upped the dose because they were being responsible with it and knew the repercussions of letting it get out of hand. I think there are many people who are in legit pain and don't have access to these pills anymore because of the people with no self control and it's a shame. Yes, there is no doubt there is a problem, but these days basically getting a prescription for opioids comes with an assumption that you are going to abuse them and eventually become a dependent junkie. The forgotten victims of this opioid crunch are the ones who need it and take them responsibly because doctors are so scared and hesitant to prescribe them now.