re: Stoneman Douglas school resource officer stayed outside as shooting unfolded

Was this guy a legit police offer working in the school, or was he just a regular security guard.

At my high school, we had 3 security guards working at our school. One was a legit former police officer who had a career working in the police force. The other 2 were nothing more than glorified mall cops. I doubt they even had guns.

Chances are, this guy froze up realizing that this is not what he was signing up for. 99% of the time, these guys job consists of nothing more than walking around and making sure nobody is skipping class, or breaking up school fights.

I feel for him. On one hand, I'm angry at him that he had a chance to save at least some of those 17 lives that were lost. On the other, I realize it's a bit much to ask someone to go in there and be James Bond.

There are several pass/fail criteria in my mind for an LEO. I won't tolerate lying, whining or cowardice. He should've been fired on the spot.

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Its like Paul Blart

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Blart took out a team of terrorists twice baw.

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No need to be billy badass.

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Wasn’t trying to be. There are things that you learn in life that are sometimes hard lessons. One is knowing your own mind and how you react in very unpleasant circumstances. I absolutely know what I would have done based on past experience. I’ll let it go at that. Thanks.

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Who will pay for the guns, ammo, training, etc too? It's a dumb proposition.

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Meh, most of the teachers willing to carry would likely already have their own guns (I could easily bring my own guns into my classroom). Half the science and math guys I work with on my floor are gun owners, with many being former military folks.

The problem is teachers carrying guns around inside a classroom would be ridiculously unsafe, which is why it's a bad idea. Way too easy for a student to grab the gun off the teacher.

The only way I could see it working is with gun safes being installed into teacher workrooms/offices to store the guns in. That way it's out of the class but close enough to grab in an emergency.

That would of course cost a fair bit of money, but schools get grants for random arse stuff all the time, so it wouldn't be that ridiculous.

They said the entire shooting lasted 3 minutes, the shooting could have stopped by the time he got there, if he didn't hear gunshots he may have assumed it was hoax, many questions need to be answered.
Every time a cop kills a civilian and is immediately found guilty by the anti-cop regime, those on this board are quick to point out that nobody here was actually there, we don't know what happened, wait for the details to come out, shouldn't this guy receive the same restraint in judgment?

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We pay for studies to find out if squirrels like to frick more if they are high on coke.

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Those coked out squirrels got their stroke from me.

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While what he did was certainly wrong and he should be dismissed it is also easy to sit behind a keyboard and call him a pussy when no one in this thread was standing in his shoes. All claiming they would charge the suspect really don’t know truly if they would.

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Sounds like you’re giving him a pass. He knew he was among the only ones with a weapon to protect those kids. Thank god he cowered in the corner and saved 17 lives. Whew.

This reminds me exactly of a police training scenario I was in several years ago. An active shooter in an elementary school. What we were being taught was to wait on our back-ups of 3 other people for a total of 4 people to I guess arrive in their patrol cars,enter the building, and walk in a square together to find the shooter facing all different directions as we walked.

I guess I wasn't listening to the classroom instructions
and when it was my groups turn, I spotted the shooter running across and adjacent hall (shape like a T), and took off running after him. I quickly found the class room he was in and lit him up (actor cop, paintball style guns). My group I think just stayed there confused. Well when it was over I got coached for not staying with my group, and continuing to find where he was at a snails pace.

I remember the training saergent asking why I did that and being specifically told that was the wrong procedure b/c it wasn't safe. In my mind getting to the gunman as quick as possible was the best solution. But it was just instincts, and nerves. My group basically told me they were disappointed that I left them too. I don't know if I was the only one of the group that noticed him run through the adjacent hall but was always confused about what and why we were being taught what we were other than it was all about safety.

In all likelihood, he did what his General Orders book says to do which is ultimately to protect yourself above all else. Cops aren't really trained to act in a manner to jeapordize their own life to save another. But the public was going to find out he wimped out on going in, and the Sheriff had to make a statement.

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Was this guy a legit police offer working in the school, or was he just a regular security guard.

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He was a Sheriff's deputy.