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Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:50 pm to lsupride87
But dude Starks is just one big subdivided neighborhood and the kids just accidentally went over his property lines playing H&S
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Sorry, IF, big if, they were trying to rob him in fine personally with them being shot. Don’t care if ther were fleeing. I think fleeing thrives should allowed to be shot
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:51 pm to lsupride87
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they were trying to rob his arse
And he still shot then running away, without their having displayed a weapon or caused him to otherwise reasonably fear for his life (presuming he would have brought that up had it occurred).
Jail happens in the above scenario. It really doesn't matter whether they were there to steal his lawnmower, etc. or not.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:52 pm to AwgustaDawg
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I can remember a time (hell, for that, a 2 year old could remember a time) when owning a gun meant being responsible
Still is for 99% of the population.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:52 pm to stout
You do realize because someone trespasses on your property, you don't get to be judge, jury, and executioner right?
For some folks that really hammer down on the Constitution and respect of its Amendments, y'all always seem to forget the 14th Amendment.
For some folks that really hammer down on the Constitution and respect of its Amendments, y'all always seem to forget the 14th Amendment.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:54 pm to BluegrassBelle
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For some folks that really hammer down on the Constitution and respect of its Amendments, y'all always seem to forget the 14th Amendment.
The 14th Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with this situation.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:55 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You do realize because someone trespasses on your property, you don't get to be judge, jury, and executioner right?
Yes. I have said 100 times now he shouldn't have shot fleeing people. Perhaps you should go read one of the 100 times I said this so you don't waste your time with an unnecessary response thinking I somehow justified his actions.
My stance still hasn't changed. That stance is that all parties are in the wrong but now I think the kids were lying about playing H&S.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:55 pm to lsupride87
Where in the hell did they come from?
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:55 pm to Indefatigable
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The 14th Amendment has nothing whatsoever to do with this situation.
I would definitely argue that attempting to execute someone instead of calling the police and reporting them for trespassing and allowing that dup process to play out is an issue.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:56 pm to stout
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My stance still hasn't changed. That stance is that all parties are in the wrong but now I think the kids were lying about playing H&S.
Your point will be borne out in the inevitable civil suit between the parents of the girl and this guy.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:56 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I would definitely argue that executing someone instead of calling the police and reporting them for trespassing and allowing that dup process to play out is an issue.
You would be unequivocally wrong. Nothing in the Constitution bears on this situation in any way.
This incident is a matter of state criminal law.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:57 pm to stout
guns are undeniably part of the problem
Posted on 5/8/23 at 2:58 pm to stout
I’m uncertain of exactly where this occurred in Starks but if it is somewhere near or around the Sabine River bottom area this unfortunately is not shocking.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:00 pm to Indefatigable
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This incident is a matter of state criminal law.
100%
If the kids were trying to steal, and it can be proven, a jury may not even convict the guy especially since the girl lived.
Some people will have zero sympathy for a thief despite the fact they weren't a threat to him as the law says one has to be in order to use self-defense.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:01 pm to stout
quote:Raises hand
Some people will have zero sympathy for a thief despite the fact they weren't a threat to him as the law says one has to be in order to use self-defense.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:01 pm to HippieTiger
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guns are undeniably part of the problem
I think cars are part of the problem in car accidents, hit and run, dui, and vehicular homicide. They are also a major factor in felony car theft.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:01 pm to TygerDurden
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but if it is somewhere near or around the Sabine River bottom area this unfortunately is not shocking.
I said this early in the thread yet people here still tried to liken Starks to some neighborhood where property lines aren't clear and everyone knows everyone. I posted screenshots and a link to where it happened and they dropped that narrative.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:02 pm to stout
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I mean don't randomly shoot people but how hard is it to stay off of property that doesn't belong to you?
Good Lord! Our hide and seek games when I was a wee lad were all over the neighborhood, in everyone's yard.
Sure, there were some we absolutely knew to steer clear of (and maybe that's the case here), but still...other than a firm talking to and calls to parents, even then that was it.
Posted on 5/8/23 at 3:02 pm to stout
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If the kids were trying to steal, and it can be proven, a jury may not even convict the guy especially since the girl lived.
Nah. They'll convict him because it doesn't matter what they were stealing if the shooter didn't see a weapon or otherwise perceive a threat to his life.
You can't shoot someone in Louisiana for trying to steal your catalytic converter in unless they point the wrench at you and swear to God they're about to throw it.
Maybe in Texas though.
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Some people will have zero sympathy for a thief despite the fact they weren't a threat to him as the law says one has to be in order to use self-defense.
I'm one of those people. I'd just be smart enough to shoot them in the chest.
This post was edited on 5/8/23 at 3:05 pm
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