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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.

Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:49 am to
Posted by Paige
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:49 am to
Why would thc show up sooner than other drugs? That makes no sense

The pot thing was "leaked" by an anonymous source
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15792 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:50 am to
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The dynamics with our local prosecutor are far different.


The black community is already calling for him to step aside. They're claiming he is too close to the police dept.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:51 am to
Posted by some STL cop.

Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85138 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:51 am to
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Im not sure on this but why would one thing show up but the other takes a week?


Not sure, but that is what one of the people on CNN mentioned the other day....

I mean, it could make sense being that toxicology reports normally take 2-6 weeks to come back.

Any toxicologist on here?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95683 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:51 am to
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Im not sure on this but why would one thing show up but the other takes a week?


It's a different test and not every lab can do that post-mortem.

You can't just do a standard tox screen on a decedent. $hit happens after you die - for example, sugar keeps fermenting and if you take a blood alcohol level on a decedent, it can show intoxication on someone who's never had a drink, ever.

Post-mortem toxicology reports, which will be valid enough for criminal and civil legal proceedings, is a fairly specialized field and the test results take longer.
Posted by Paige
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:52 am to
Its not like it would've stopped them from protesting/rioting/looting
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:52 am to
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They have destroyed their own community's property, e

The people destroying property aren't from Ferguson. Lots of adults in Ferguson have jobs, cars and a stake in the community. I think everyone thinks it's the hood. It's not.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:52 am to
Incorrect.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85138 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:53 am to
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It's a different test and not every lab can do that post-mortem.


Heres the explanation from a quick google

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The toxicology testing performed after a person's death is known as forensic toxicology testing or postmortem drug testing.

That's different from clinical toxicology, according to the College of American Pathologists. This is the drug testing an emergency room doctor would be likely to order, for instance, if a patient shows up with signs and symptoms of drug overdose or abuse.

Other types of toxicology testing include workplace drug testing, which also screens for drugs of abuse, and athletic drug testing in sport programs, which detect banned substances or drugs that enhance performance.

The toxicology report that is eventually issued in forensic toxicology testing "is the result of the lab procedures identifying and quantifying potential toxins, which include prescription medications and drugs of abuse and interpretations of the findings," says Howard S. Robin, MD. He is the medical director of laboratory services at Sharp Memorial Hospital in San Diego and is a board-certified pathologist.

Toxicology testing is part of the autopsy report, Robin says. "A complete autopsy should have some level of toxicology studies."
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:54 am to
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The black community is already calling for him to step aside. They're claiming he is too close to the police dept.

You mean like every prosecutor in the world? They know this isn't shaping up their way. They want a federally connected "racial justice" prosecutor like that screaming bia the Zimmerman trial got.
Posted by gatorhater08
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2011
2509 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:54 am to
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Posted by some STL cop.


I can't wait to hear that had been photoshopped!
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20366 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:55 am to
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Posted by some STL cop.


Classic. But if that is real, which I doubt because no person would use their name - then the ones with the agenda will come up with something...
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85138 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:55 am to
More info on toxicology

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Why do the forensic toxicology tests take so long?
Getting a complete and accurate forensic toxicology test result can be a lengthy process for a variety of reasons, according to the College of American Pathologists and experts interviewed by WebMD.

There may be a lot of specimens that need to be tested, which means more testing time. And as an investigation proceeds, information about the possibility of another drug being involved may surface, so even more testing may be needed.

When the first round of positive tests have to be confirmed by the more sophisticated method, this may require sending out the specimens to more specialized laboratories. And that adds to the delay.

"Four to six weeks is pretty standard," Magnani says of the time line for forensic toxicology testing. Besides the time needed for painstaking analysis and confirmation, she says, there could be a backlog of tests that need to be done at a particular laboratory.

"Each one should be handled thoroughly, whether they are a celebrity or not," she says.
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15792 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:55 am to
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You mean like every prosecutor in the world? They know this isn't shaping up their way.
Oh, I agree.
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35426 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:56 am to
Sorry. He's from across the river in KC. He's under investigation.

LINK
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
26700 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:56 am to
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The people destroying property aren't from Ferguson.


Maybe, maybe not. I know the "leaders" from Ferguson have invited in and publicly supported some pretty noteworthy people making pretty inflammatory remarks though. What did they expect was going to happen?
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
20366 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:56 am to
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They want a federally connected "racial justice" prosecutor like that screaming bia the Zimmerman trial got.


As in the the one with the agenda...
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128857 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:58 am to
That's not Michael Brown. That's Joba Cain who was arrested for murder in his home state last year.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128857 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:59 am to
Ferguson doesn't have "leaders" with that kind of juice. Sharpton wasn't taking any pastors' calls from Ferguson two weeks ago.
Posted by Langston
Member since Nov 2010
7685 posts
Posted on 8/19/14 at 9:59 am to
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I'm guessing you don't own the Autozone or Boost Mobile or McDonalds or the QT in Ferguson nor do you live in Ferguson. They may have a different position.


Good guess.

Again, the police didn't destroy them. And I'm guessing you aren't part of the Wilson family who is prob more worried about his life than the buildings they are burning down because they wouldn't wait for facts.
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