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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:01 am to Langston
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:01 am to Langston
You don't have to release every piece of information on Saturday or Sunday. But they could've released enough preliminary information to slow down the train. You have to defend every single decision the police make for some reason. This one isn't rational.
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:01 am to the808bass
What? They have ignored every bit of evidence that contradicts their narrative
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:03 am to the808bass
I don't and I'm actually not a big fan of police but nice try. Its clear from my post I think it was handled poorly, but to place the blame on police for this is crazy.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:03 am to Paige
Yeap, and they will continue to ignore everything that doesn't fit their narrative.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:04 am to Paige
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What? They have ignored every bit of evidence that contradicts their narrative
Exactly, and i would agree bass if it wasn't obvious this thing got legs locally in the videos from the crime scene. If I was the chief, I would be very careful about making a move also with so many screaming the hatred from the get go.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:04 am to Paige
That's because the narrative was allowed to take hold. And then reinforced nationally unopposed for a fricking week. It's inexcusable.
That doesn't excuse any rioting or looting. It certainly does show that new paradigms or information handling need to be developed for law enforcement. By using a bunker mentality to protect from civil liability, they have been a shitty public stakeholder.
That doesn't excuse any rioting or looting. It certainly does show that new paradigms or information handling need to be developed for law enforcement. By using a bunker mentality to protect from civil liability, they have been a shitty public stakeholder.
This post was edited on 8/19/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:06 am to the808bass
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That's because the narrative was allowed to take hold. And then reinforced nationally I opposed for a fricking week. It's inexcusable.
So it had nothing to do with the fact police said they were having trouble getitng statements from some of the witnesses?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:07 am to the808bass
I think you're giving the protesters too much credit if you think they'd have listened to reason if it came sooner
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:08 am to Paige
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I think you're giving the protesters too much credit if you think they'd have listened to reason if it came sooner
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Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:08 am to Langston
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If I was the chief, I would be very careful about making a move also with so many screaming the hatred from the get go.
Not making a move is a move. Not acting is a choice. Not releasing information is a choice. It's a passive choice but it's a choice. This isn't the Pony Express days. And they need to tell their legal advisors to suck a fat one when releasing information. Lawyers will paralyze you by analysis and prevent you from making appropriate decisions because they only speak the language of liability and that's a small piece of the picture.
What's more expensive? A lawsuit for the individual event or the cost to the city/county/businesses/community for the week?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:08 am to Paige
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I think you're giving the protesters too much credit if you think they'd have listened to reason if it came sooner
And to be blunt, I don't think you know shite about St. Louis. No offense.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:09 am to the808bass
I don't disagree it was a mess. My point is, I think it was handled differently because of what it was made into from the start. I think when in doubt, they should have slowed down and considered each step. And likewise, that's no excuse to go nuts and want the cop charged with murder without evidence to support it.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:09 am to Paige
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I think you're giving the protesters too much credit if you think they'd have listened to reason if it came sooner
Excellent point, Paige.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:10 am to Langston
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So it had nothing to do with the fact police said they were having trouble getitng statements from some of the witnesses?
No. If it wasn't a police-involved shooting, would they have released zero details for 24 hours? Would they not have released any substantive details for a week? No.
It was a bunker mentality for liability reasons. And it was completely counterproductive.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:10 am to the808bass
Any guesses on what information might come out today?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:11 am to the808bass
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And to be blunt, I don't think you know shite about St. Louis. No offense.
Wait, this is about St. Louis now? I thought this was because of outsiders? Make up your mind man and quit flipping to defend your arguement at the moment.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:12 am to the808bass
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. And they need to tell their legal advisors to suck a fat one when releasing information.
Yea, sounds smart. I suggest you do this next time you need legal advice
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What's more expensive? A lawsuit for the individual event or the cost to the city/county/businesses/community for the week?
If it was peaceful protest it would only take a handful of officers to provide security / close streets. You cant blame the mayhem on anybody but the looters and rioters
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:12 am to Langston
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Wait, this is about St. Louis now?
If you're not following the argument close enough to respond cogently don't bother responding. You think you get a gotcha point and have to jump in but you're really just not paying attention.
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:13 am to Winkface
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Any guesses on what information might come out today?
Probably the parent's attorney saying that he was out buying a christmas present for his dear departed whoever?
Posted on 8/19/14 at 10:13 am to Winkface
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Any guesses on what information might come out today?
I have a feeling we may get details about the initial autopsy being that Baden came out with his version yesterday and questioned certain things that he didn't have access to.
I also think we will get confirmation from the DA that he is convening the Grand Jury tomorrow to begin determining whether to go forward or not.
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