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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:01 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:01 pm to the808bass
I already said that was a joke. Catch up a little boy more.
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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I think that is the broad self-defense standard - but "threat is eliminated" doesn't necessarily mean dead. You cannot, for example, deliver a coup de grâce to a still living, yet incapacitated assailant, no matter how justified you were in firing, initially.
Understood. However, six/seven shots is not an unreasonable number of rounds to accomplish either goal, especially in a situation where there's a struggle or dynamic targets. I don't know if it's the case, but if there was a big guy coming at me looking to kill/disarm, I'd personally think six shots would be a minimum number of shots to eliminate the threat.
Again, fluid situation and I know no details, but six/seven shots is not an unreasonable number of shots to eliminate a threat or potentially kill the target.
ETA: I'd have a little bit of a more difficult time if he'd shot thirteen times, for example.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:01 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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I feel the cop may have been justified in shooting but maybe made the wrong decision in trying to make an arrest on his own
I'm trying not to prejudge things, but I'm starting to get that Zimmerman/Trayvon feeling - as the facts keep rolling out, it looks worse and worse for the media's initial sell of the story: "Cop executes unarmed black teen - for no good reason" (hint, hint, "Racism!") - to more like the, "Okay, perhaps this cop shouldn't have tried to take this giant of a young man in alone, but once battle was joined, I don't know if I would have/could have done things differently."
Just as I turned from being a relative supporter for pursuing Zimmerman, criminally, to a reluctant supporter of the poor judgment using, but ultimately justified in shooting Trayvon Martin, Zimmerman.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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No it isn't. 4 cops tased an 8-year old girl some time back. That is ridiculous.
Agreed but, many department policy states that you use a taser before you go hands on. If they violated this policy and something went wrong ( kid jerks away and runs into traffic and is killed) these officers are not protected because they violated policy. It's a shitty situation but its the way it is.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:02 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Holy fricking shite... Don Lemon is a piece of shite
"I want to make sure Im careful with how I give this info, blah blah blah..."
In regards to the phone call from the friend on the radio
You want to be careful with that, but none of the other shite you spew?
"I want to make sure Im careful with how I give this info, blah blah blah..."
In regards to the phone call from the friend on the radio
You want to be careful with that, but none of the other shite you spew?
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:03 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
My god the scenes from last night looked like something for IRAQI.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:04 pm to undecided
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The point I was unsuccessfully trying to make is that the witness statements have all been consistent and align with the autopsy results
No. Just no
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:04 pm to kilo
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The point is that firing six shots rapidly doesnt take but two seconds.
I don't disagree with that. That doesn't change the fact that - at some point - the shooting could have changed from justified to unjustified. It will all depend on the facts.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:05 pm to Langston
They just played the audio and I missed it the first time I heard it, but she states that Brown fell about 3 feet from Darren Wilson... So if he was running at Wilson, the final shot happened about 10ft away.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:06 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't disagree with that. That doesn't change the fact that - at some point - the shooting could have changed from justified to unjustified. It will all depend on the facts.
I'm not a rah rah cop guy, but when we're talking about a difference of maybe a second between the first shots being justified and the last shots being unjustified, I'm siding with the shooter/officer 100% of the time.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:07 pm to igoringa
Relax igorina. He doesn't know which bullets actually hit him and which ones didn't. I am sure those specific details were weeded out in his interview with LE.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:08 pm to reedus23
Jesus fricking christ.... CNN pushing the narrative that this info was just released to counter the autopsy 
This phone call is 3+ days old
This phone call is 3+ days old
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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I don't disagree with that. That doesn't change the fact that - at some point - the shooting could have changed from justified to unjustified. It will all depend on the facts.
If he was a threat when it started no, it doesnt. There is no time to fire and see if that did the trick, then fire again.
In this hypothetical if he was a threat before the 2 sec 6-7 round burst nothing would change in my opinion.
Justified
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:08 pm to TutHillTiger
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They line up like he was firing quickly repetitively.
as MW leaned/fell forward.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:09 pm to Lsut81
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esus fricking christ.... CNN pushing the narrative that this info was just released to counter the autopsy
This phone call is 3+ days old
Lemon is emotionally invested. He is worthless at this point.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:10 pm to Mizzeaux
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I'm not a rah rah cop guy, but when we're talking about a difference of maybe a second between the first shots being justified and the last shots being unjustified, I'm siding with the shooter/officer 100% of the time
1 second is a long time in combat.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:10 pm to Lsut81
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They just played the audio and I missed it the first time I heard it, but she states that Brown fell about 3 feet from Darren Wilson... So if he was running at Wilson, the final shot happened about 10ft away.
At least 10 ft I would guess and if so residue wouldn't be a factor. Key word here is guess. They will know
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:10 pm to reedus23
He he charged a cop with his gun drawn he had to be on some major drug. Tox screen will be critical.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:10 pm to kilo
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If he was a threat when it started no, it doesnt. There is no time to fire and see if that did the trick, then fire again.
In this hypothetical if he was a threat before the 2 sec 6-7 round burst nothing would change in my opinion.
Justified
Yep. I don't foresee a time where each shot will be analyzed for justification unless there was a break between shots or there is a political/public relations motivation.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 2:11 pm to Ace Midnight
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1 second is a long time in combat.
You watch to many movies. Thats a laughable statement and isnt in any way true.
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