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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:54 pm to tigerfoot
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:54 pm to tigerfoot
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A normal response to seeing the video would be: "damn, there is more to this story than we thought, it makes sense that a guy getting confronted by police after robbing a store may jump the cop and force the cop to shoot him, more sense than a cop shooting a man on his knees with his hands up"
It's what I learned in the OJ trial. Some people will believe what they want to believe, no matter what facts or evidence is presented before them. They make up their mind, then use certain pieces of the issues to support their made up mind.
It gets repeated over and over in society, especially when dealing with politics, or race.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:55 pm to Festus
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It's what I learned in the Zimmerman trial. Some people will believe what they want to believe, no matter what facts or evidence is presented before them. They make up their mind, then use certain pieces of the issues to support their made up mind.
this too, for the younger OTers
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:55 pm to undecided
Wut...
Hairline isn't the same
Hairline isn't the same
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:55 pm to Festus
It's been said here before. Confirmation bias.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:55 pm to undecided
Those are two different dudes.
One is a Comm officer in St. Ann. The other is the shooter.
One is a Comm officer in St. Ann. The other is the shooter.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:56 pm to TH03
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quote: It's what I learned in the Zimmerman trial. Some people will believe what they want to believe, no matter what facts or evidence is presented before them. They make up their mind, then use certain pieces of the issues to support their made up mind.
That is true for both sides. Whether you're a bootlicker or a commie.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:57 pm to the808bass
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That is true for both sides.
There's no middle ground here. You either agree with me or you're wrong. Period.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 12:58 pm to TH03
Yep.
I imagine this will get real interesting once the investigation is completed and charges are (not) filed.
I imagine this will get real interesting once the investigation is completed and charges are (not) filed.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:00 pm to Festus
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I imagine this will get real interesting once the investigation is completed and charges are (not) filed.
Yup, there is no way there will be civil rights charges brought against him and I don't know if the St Louis Prosecutor will be able to get a true bill from the Grand Jury.
I think the only way it goes to trial is if the autopsy showed Brown was shot in the back. But that is coming into question as other things come out.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:00 pm to Festus
you see this yet?
CNN actually implying this wasn't a robbery and downplaying the confrontation. LMAO
CNN actually implying this wasn't a robbery and downplaying the confrontation. LMAO
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:00 pm to the808bass
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That is true for both sides. Whether you're a bootlicker or a commie.
Except for there are more than just the two sides you cite. Although I suspect in your mind, there are only those two.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:02 pm to undecided
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There's no middle ground here. You either agree with me or you're wrong. Period.
I get why people pick a side. And we all have our own biases. I fricking hate what our policing has become. Other people were cops or have cops in their family or work with cops. Or they are just predisposed to a "law and order" view because of their upbringing, experiences, etc. Other people see the racial thing very clearly because of their experiences or their race or because they're more of an empathetic personality.
Where that goes bad is when you can't even see or understand the other side. We all have biases. We all are going to lean one way. But when you can't or won't see the other point of view, that's when conflict turns ugly. And when that's face to face, as it in Ferguson, it's going to look like a war zone.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:03 pm to Festus
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Except for there are more than just the two sides you cite. Although I suspect in your mind, there are only those two.
It's not. Good effort.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:03 pm to undecided
Is there really any scenario where the rioters could win?
Even with properly executed tactics and small arms, without reinforcement from the outside no riots would end in a victory other than police rule.
If they (the actual disciplined protestors, not the greed driven looters) could have prepared supplies and holed up somewhere (a stadium. A school. A public park.) with defensible, reinforced barriers, they could have drawn media attention to police militarization and actually done something.
But this racially driven "hands up don't shoot" (more like "I'mma taunt and charge your arse, don't shoot.") nonsense is getting annoying. Protest the militarization of the police state. Protest the epidemic of municipal forces using overly violent and expensive tactics to apprehend low level criminals.
Self police the looters and the culture that produces them.
Stop reinforcing negative stereotypes that only serve to perpetuate and justify further violence
Even with properly executed tactics and small arms, without reinforcement from the outside no riots would end in a victory other than police rule.
If they (the actual disciplined protestors, not the greed driven looters) could have prepared supplies and holed up somewhere (a stadium. A school. A public park.) with defensible, reinforced barriers, they could have drawn media attention to police militarization and actually done something.
But this racially driven "hands up don't shoot" (more like "I'mma taunt and charge your arse, don't shoot.") nonsense is getting annoying. Protest the militarization of the police state. Protest the epidemic of municipal forces using overly violent and expensive tactics to apprehend low level criminals.
Self police the looters and the culture that produces them.
Stop reinforcing negative stereotypes that only serve to perpetuate and justify further violence
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:03 pm to Lsut81
So, after the protesters were blocking the quickie mart, other people continued to loot?
Tim Fitch spoke out today(former County Chief) "We cannot keep stoning the keepers at the gate".
People pissed at the lack of force by cops. Especially as people looted, they got in cars and left. Definitely a Failure tonight by the Captain.
Tim Fitch spoke out today(former County Chief) "We cannot keep stoning the keepers at the gate".
People pissed at the lack of force by cops. Especially as people looted, they got in cars and left. Definitely a Failure tonight by the Captain.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:03 pm to undecided
Welp,don't know if it's legit or nah but Wilson's social has just hit twitter
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:04 pm to Lsut81
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Yup, there is no way there will be civil rights charges brought against him and I don't know if the St Louis Prosecutor will be able to get a true bill from the Grand Jury.
I think the only way it goes to trial is if the autopsy showed Brown was shot in the back. But that is coming into question as other things come out.
I'm very interested to hear the version of the police that shot. But you're right, I cannot imagine any way that the protesters will accept anything less than the shooter being arrested and convicted of murder, regardless of the facts.
If that doesn't happen, I imagine we see more acting out. Although at some point, I guess it will die down. (see Trayvon)
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:05 pm to TH03
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CNN actually implying this wasn't a robbery and downplaying the confrontation. LMAO
Well, gotta keep this hotbed stoked and all the folks riled up. Those ratings aren't gonna suck themselves.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 1:05 pm to stlslick
And now they're congratulating Anonymous for "being right about that pic" that they weren't right about anyways cause its not even the same guy.
It amazes me how stupid most of these people are.
It amazes me how stupid most of these people are.
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