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re: St Louis: Unarmed teen shot and killed by police, riot in progress.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:14 am to cacspertheghost
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:14 am to cacspertheghost
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cacspertheghost
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I agree with you.
shocker
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I agree that the "black on black crime" argument rings a little hollow for me. The only place I think it applies is to people like Sharpton. As far as the local communities, they do have people dealing with these issues on a daily basis and protesting and strategizing and intervening trying to stop it.
No one can seriously think there has ever been a situation where the black community has protested or cried out so loud over a black on black crime as they have any of the last several so called white on black crimes. I agree the most reasonable fight equally but they are the minority in their community.
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If there's anyone who cares less about black on black crime than black people, it's white people
Agree, because whites tend to not focus on race and simply crime in general.
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Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:16 am to bountyhunter
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who is perpetuating the chaos?
Well when they arrest journalists and reporters and other people filming and reporting on it, aren't they also perpetuating chaos?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:16 am to reedus23
Which white police brutality expert do you recommend?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:17 am to Langston
quote:which is why whites value community schools,neighborhood associations,moral values so much.
Agree, because whites tend to not focus on race and simply crime in general.
To keep crime away
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:18 am to bountyhunter
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Causing major damage to private property and public infrastructure is not acceptable
I agree. That doesn't make arresting people without PC acceptable.
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But all police departments are short-staffed, and you are putting men with families on the brink of chaos and expecting them not to flinch. Mistakes will be made as long as there is chaos.
Protesters have families, too. If you're scared to be a police officer, quit. Mistakes and systematic denial of rights are two different things. Every single video streamer and tv crew was told to stop filming last night. That's not a "mistake" made in "chaos," that's a systematic denial of rights.
quote:Let me ask you this. If there were no protests, how would Ferguson likely have handled this shooting? If government wants citizens to participate in the social contract, they have to demonstrate they're serious about participating as well.
My point is, who is perpetuating the chaos? I'm sure they're lawful people
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:18 am to PuntBamaPunt
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TheAnonMessage @TheAnonMessage
We have video of Mike Brown's body being shoved into the back of a PD SUV. No EMS was on the scene at all as we first thought. #Ferguson9:45 AM - 14 Aug 2014
TheAnonMessage @TheAnonMessage
NEXT RELEASES IF @stlcountypd doesn't respond:
1) PHOTO
2) ADDRESS w/ PHOTO
3) FULL D0X
#Anonymous #Ferguson8:15 AM - 14 Aug 2014
Before I jump off on that (because I highly question anonymous at this point), is that even possible and is there any legitimate reason to do that if true?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:18 am to bountyhunter
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There's a major difference between lawful protest and anarchy. Causing major damage to private property and public infrastructure is not acceptable, I don't care if you are reading the Constitution of the U.S., Britain, Nazi Germany, or Hammurabi's Code.
So freedom of the press doesn't matter?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:19 am to meauxjeaux2
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Wonder if they do indeed have one if they don't immediately try to get him in the suv then realize he's already dead and pull him out and put sheet over him?
I don't think this video they are claiming to have exists.
Like I said, from the video one of the witnesses shot and has been aired on CNN, the body is never moved from where he fell dead.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:20 am to Langston
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Agree, because whites tend to not focus on race and simply crime in general.
I fail to see the problem with that. Crime is crime. Period. This isn't Disney's Aladdin, criminals do not have a heart of gold.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:20 am to Langston
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Agree, because whites tend to not focus on race and simply crime in general.
And yet we're all quick to say "black on black" like a dyslexic member of ACDC with Tourette's whenever there's a white on black incident. So maybe we care a little more about race than we think we do.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:20 am to meauxjeaux2
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ohh noes,big bad police might have actually cared enough to try to get the dude to a hospital by any means necessary before EMS arrived.
Wasn't he on the ground for 4 hours? They weren't trying to help him.
Having said that, I'm pretty suspect of this claim. Wouldn't make any sense even if the cop was in the wrong.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:21 am to Lsut81
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I don't think this video they are claiming to have exists.
Anonymous has been stunningly pathetic on this one. Michael lay in the street for hours according to early media reports. He wasn't "stuffed" anywhere.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:23 am to the808bass
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Michael lay in the street for hours according to early media reports. He wasn't "stuffed" anywhere.
I have a feeling the video the claim to have will be him being loaded into the coroners vehicle, which I would assume looks identical to the police vehicles.
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:23 am to Langston
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This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:25 am to bountyhunter
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fail to see the problem with that. Crime is crime. Period. This isn't Disney's Aladdin, criminals do not have a heart of gold
I think you misunderstood and are agreeing with me but I can't tell.
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fail to see the problem with that. Crime is crime. Period.
Me too
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:25 am to brass2mouth
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Well when they arrest journalists and reporters and other people filming and reporting on it, aren't they also perpetuating chaos?
A journalist in the thick of a riot complaining about getting a "boo boo". Cry me a river. I'll bet if he was knocked out and woke up in a ditch with his wallet missing he'd blame the cops too, because that would look better in print.
Seriously though, there reaches a certain point with riots where people just get in the way. Journalists with cameras and other crap do help to perpetuate things and can actually impede your actions as a police officer. Again, you are taking incomplete accounts of things and painting whatever picture you want with it.
This post was edited on 8/14/14 at 9:28 am
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:26 am to cacspertheghost
quote:you just glossed smooth over my response to this pathetic idea of yours didn't you.
Why do you keep trying to paint a narrative that black people don't care about black on black crime?
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:27 am to PowerTool
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Which white police brutality expert do you recommend?
Radley Balko
Tim Lynch
Posted on 8/14/14 at 9:27 am to the808bass
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And yet we're all quick to say "black on black" like a dyslexic member of ACDC with Tourette's whenever there's a white on black incident
I think it's normal to discount or reply with statistics. I don't recall ever hearing black on white or black on black ever being brought up in one of these conversations before the race card is played.
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