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re: St. George Movement is Back!
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:52 pm to ThuperThumpin
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:52 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Why do you think so many middle income families are moving out of the EBR parish? Its not because they can afford private school but choose not to and would rather sit in traffic for 45 minutes every day.
They do that b/c they feel the schools over there are good enough for their kids. Nothing wrong with that at all. I don't feel that way, but i have not a single problem with others that feel that way b/c those schools are good schools for this area.
They also do that b/c they want to have have a new F150 and Tahoe for their wife, and a boat, and a nice house, and theres nothing wrong with that either.
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:53 pm to T
The guy has a hard on for Catholic High for some reason.
Hypothetical St. George schools are no threat to Catholic, or St. Joseph's, or Episcopal most likely, or U-High. A) Some people even in St. George will continue to send their kids to private schools no matter what, and B) well off people in Baton Rouge will still need to send their kids somewhere because EBR schools aren't getting any better.
Hypothetical St. George schools are no threat to Catholic, or St. Joseph's, or Episcopal most likely, or U-High. A) Some people even in St. George will continue to send their kids to private schools no matter what, and B) well off people in Baton Rouge will still need to send their kids somewhere because EBR schools aren't getting any better.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:55 pm to the paradigm
WhyTF didn't y'all sign last time?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 2:58 pm to T
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Catholic isn't the easiest school to get into either. If you don't get into Catholic you're going to have to choose a private school that cost a lot, but probably is not any better than Zachary, Dutchtown or Denham Springs.
If your kid went to one of the catholic elementaries, which will accept just about anyone, and isn't retarded, he'll get into Catholic. They aren't rejecting people. That school keeps getting bigger.
People have this belief that you have to be special to get accepted to the catholic schools. You simply have to pay them the tuition they are asking for, and they will let you in. They are always looking for more money.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:06 pm to TigersSEC2010
Folks like Gravy can hope all the crackers move out all he wants, but when they move to a different parish they take their property taxes with them.
If you continue to only give the people who pay the bills an unsustainable school system, they move to Ascension, Livingston, etc. These two parishes becoming the fastest growing in LA is no accident.
If EBR doesn't find a way to get behind a new school district and city, then the parish will die. Maybe not tomorrow. Maybe not in 5 years. But 10-20 years of SWB type mayor/presidents will undeniably destroy it. Of course, I'm sure by then I'll have long moved the frick away from it. But will Gravy still be here?
St George might or might not save EBR, but I think at this point it really has the last chance. Opponents of it can cry racism all they want, but right now all of us here are on a sinking ship. Giving the southern part of the parish what it wants is the only life raft.
If you continue to only give the people who pay the bills an unsustainable school system, they move to Ascension, Livingston, etc. These two parishes becoming the fastest growing in LA is no accident.
If EBR doesn't find a way to get behind a new school district and city, then the parish will die. Maybe not tomorrow. Maybe not in 5 years. But 10-20 years of SWB type mayor/presidents will undeniably destroy it. Of course, I'm sure by then I'll have long moved the frick away from it. But will Gravy still be here?
St George might or might not save EBR, but I think at this point it really has the last chance. Opponents of it can cry racism all they want, but right now all of us here are on a sinking ship. Giving the southern part of the parish what it wants is the only life raft.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:08 pm to Giantkiller
The biggest issue that BR City has to address is that nearly 2/3 of non-commerical taxes come from the St. George region and less than 1/3 of parish revenue is reinvested in that area.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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They do that b/c they feel the schools over there are good enough for their kids. Nothing wrong with that at all. I don't feel that way, but i have not a single problem with others that feel that way b/c those schools are good schools for this area. They also do that b/c they want to have have a new F150 and Tahoe for their wife, and a boat, and a nice house, and theres nothing wrong with that either.
In some cases that is true. My parents were not well off but hard working. They prioritized Catholic education above all else for my siblings and I. I attended Catholic schools from k-college. I appreciate a great deal of it but we missed out on a lot too due to the financial stress. No family vacations, very little time with my dad because he worked so much, and no money for extra curriculars.
I guess my point is its not all about wanting to spend money on F150's and boats.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:14 pm to TigersSEC2010
I guess we will see what happens.
As far as parish services they are piss poor in unincorporated EBRP compared to inside the city.
I had missed garbage collection service for up to 3 missed pickups. Even after you call 311 to complain nothing is done. We pay the same out here as the people inside the city while our services are horrible.
I talked to a councilman one time. He said if people knew the amount of money wasted on DPW contracts, where the contractor does not do the job properly, and over bills for the service all the councilpeople would be recalled.
As far as parish services they are piss poor in unincorporated EBRP compared to inside the city.
I had missed garbage collection service for up to 3 missed pickups. Even after you call 311 to complain nothing is done. We pay the same out here as the people inside the city while our services are horrible.
I talked to a councilman one time. He said if people knew the amount of money wasted on DPW contracts, where the contractor does not do the job properly, and over bills for the service all the councilpeople would be recalled.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Private school doesnt' cost as much as you think here.
I'm about to write my check for my 2 kids for next year in elementary school. $10,512.
most other places that would be cheap for 1 kid, much less 2.
By comparison, daycare for one kid costs almost $10k.
Do you have to tithe a bunch or once you are in the system that doesn't really matter? Serious question since I know the church may fund some of the school.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:14 pm to AaronDeTiger
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WhyTF didn't y'all sign last time?
I'll tell you why I didn't. I was afraid by destabilizing the city of BR, it would turn St George's neighboring city into a hellhole. Plus I didn't think the organizers worked out enough details as far as a plan of government.
But that was with a Kip driven BR.
It all changed with Mayor Doom, and Silky Slim, and Tasha Clark Amar. And the murder rate. And the police shootings. And the schools still being abysmal. Etc. Etc.
Now I'll just take my fricking chances. I'll sign whatever petition St George puts in front of me.
And I'm not alone this time. My guess is there's thousands more this go around.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:15 pm to member12
basically all the parts of BR we consider "good" Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:16 pm to Antonio Moss
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The biggest issue that BR City has to address is that nearly 2/3 of non-commerical taxes come from the St. George region and less than 1/3 of parish revenue is reinvested in that area.
Well wasn't one of SWB and Gary's biggest gripes that money was being spent in the downtown area instead of in North BR? It's no real surprise (nor should it be) that a downtown commercial/entertainment area is going to see a larger share of reinvesting.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:22 pm to dixiechick
I just want good school for my kids. If St. George has a plan for that. I'm in
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:27 pm to dixiechick
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It will be St Michael that will take the hit If and when St George establishes an ISD.
My alma mater.
But I have to live in EBR, so as far as St. Michael's goes:
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:29 pm to fallguy_1978
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Yet those areas continue to grow and BR's population is flat or declining. It's almost as if less crime and better schools are more important.
I think it has more to do with cheaper houses---you get a lot more house for a lot less money out there in the sticks.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:29 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Central and Zachary and Dutchtown are, they don't come close to comparing to Catholic High.
I have no doubt that Catholic is an excellent school, but they control who gets in. It's easy to get great scores when the testing pool has minimal anchors pulling scores down.
In my opinion that's why those public schools progress is impressive. They take the bad with the good and are having success.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:35 pm to tom
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tom
I have a few quick questions for you.
What do you think of the current state of affairs of the city/parish government?
Do you think that is trending upward or downward. Where will the city/parish be in 20 years?
If you assume it is downward, is there anything that can stop it?
I think one could make a pretty strong case that Baton Rouge is gone. It is going the way of New Orleans (at best) and Jackson at worst. I don't blame people at all for deciding that there is a better way for their tax money to be spent than the status quo.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:37 pm to lsu13lsu
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Do you have to tithe a bunch or once you are in the system that doesn't really matter? Serious question since I know the church may fund some of the school.
sure they are constantly asking for money.
You have to pay $260 in a donation to something to do with the church/school a year to get the parishioner tuition. By doing so you save like $600. Outside of that, nothing else is required, although they do their best to get you to pay for little things here and there. Outside of that tithe, we pay to go to the fair and that's it.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 3:41 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Baton Rouge metro area has the 4th highest percentage of students attending private schools in the country, based off stats in 2014 LINK. New Orleans metro was 1st. That's pretty telling considering a very large portion of that metro area is considered Livingston and Ascenion, all public school attendees pretty much. The number is 19% in the BR metro area that attend private school. What do you think it is in St. George? closer to 50% i would assume when you don't have to count the public school attendees in Ascension/Livingston/Central/Zachary. It's a mindset with most of these families that they are going to send their kids to a private school. That will not be an easy mindset to change.
It's kind of amazing to me that you type all of that and conclude that the status quo is the answer.
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