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re: St. Bernard group sues to stop new container port
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:08 pm to Swagga
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:08 pm to Swagga
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Yes we don’t want a larger port of New Orleans to provide jobs and money to the economy.
Da parish has higher priorities like building another daiquiri shop.
Everyone complains about NIMBYs until it's their back yard.
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Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:18 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
what's out there as well is a proposed container port a couple of miles downstream in Plaquemines Parish, if I'm right, it's the old Freeport Nickel site across from Belle Chasse...which means improved rail and road infrastructure needed in St Bernard anyway...
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:22 pm to chryso
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Lol, probably the california ports.
More like houston or Mobile’s port authorities.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:37 pm to tigerinthebueche
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Gonna provide economic growth for da East- I’d like to see his take on actual easterners opposing legitimate business development in their own area.
New Orleans East / = St. Bernard.
The east is about to get a bunch of development from the old jazzland and then a Drew Brees based project.
I imagine that’s part of the plan with the port expansion. Send containers to shipping / receiving areas in the east.
This post was edited on 12/14/21 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:43 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Some more info:
That's the trash king's old man... a very wealthy ambulance chaser who is very much a power broker.
I'm glad they said this. The first location was on land owned by the Meraux Foundation - who he also represents as attorney and as a board member and is paid handsomely for that - and he was all about the port when it was going to be there. The river pilots shot that location down because there were concerns about docking at that location due to currents in that spot.
This is where it will get interesting. The Port NOLA. people seem willing to design the project to deal with issues, but they are very much wanting to build it. Part of the problem is Port NOLA has decided to basically design the port in conjunction with the permitting proceeds from the Corps, instead of designing it and submitting for review. They believe that will allow them to move faster while considering public input. The opposition thinks it means the fix is in.
He is right about that. It is asinine that we have a Port NOLA, Port of South Louisiana, Port of St. Bernard (to the extent it still exists), and Port of Plaquemines, all state agencies, all competing against each other. We now currently have two state agencies (Port NOLA and Port of Plaquemines) spending money on competing container port proposals.
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Sidney Torres III, the attorney representing the St. Bernard port opposition group, said the its mission is simple: to kill the container terminal project for St. Bernard Parish.
That's the trash king's old man... a very wealthy ambulance chaser who is very much a power broker.
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Torres is on the board of the Meraux Foundation, which is part owner of land called the Sinclair Tract upriver from Violet. In 2018, Port Nola and the Meraux Foundation studied the feasibility of buying that land for $75 million and siting the container terminal there. However, Torres said that deal died even before they considered its impact on St. Bernard residents and the environment.
I'm glad they said this. The first location was on land owned by the Meraux Foundation - who he also represents as attorney and as a board member and is paid handsomely for that - and he was all about the port when it was going to be there. The river pilots shot that location down because there were concerns about docking at that location due to currents in that spot.
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"There is no middle ground," Torres said. "If the Port Nola people feel they're going to come down here and muscle in they might as well tell us to go elsewhere, because there isn't room here for both. It doesn't work here."
This is where it will get interesting. The Port NOLA. people seem willing to design the project to deal with issues, but they are very much wanting to build it. Part of the problem is Port NOLA has decided to basically design the port in conjunction with the permitting proceeds from the Corps, instead of designing it and submitting for review. They believe that will allow them to move faster while considering public input. The opposition thinks it means the fix is in.
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"This is going to put the spotlight on the feudalistic system we have in Louisiana with all these (state-owned) ports competing with each other," said Torres. "What is obvious here is that it's not just St. Bernard that would be the victim of siting this terminal there but the whole state of Louisiana. There are better places downriver to develop this terminal but it is outside of (Port of Nola's) control, and they don't want that."
He is right about that. It is asinine that we have a Port NOLA, Port of South Louisiana, Port of St. Bernard (to the extent it still exists), and Port of Plaquemines, all state agencies, all competing against each other. We now currently have two state agencies (Port NOLA and Port of Plaquemines) spending money on competing container port proposals.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:47 pm to vl100butch
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what's out there as well is a proposed container port a couple of miles downstream in Plaquemines Parish, if I'm right, it's the old Freeport Nickel site across from Belle Chasse...which means improved rail and road infrastructure needed in St Bernard anyway...
Nah, that container port is proposed next to the current port on the west bank of plaquemines.
If that one gets built it's going to need road and rail expansion, but it won't go through St bernard.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 1:51 pm to LSUFanHouston
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who argue that it would severely disrupt parish life
Posted on 12/14/21 at 2:04 pm to MorbidTheClown
They have two main 4 lane roads in St. Bernanrd. They are estimating 5000 trucks hauling it daily. It’s going to absolutely frick them if they build it.
Isn’t Phillip’s 66 laying off and changing? Build it there.
Isn’t Phillip’s 66 laying off and changing? Build it there.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 2:12 pm to TheDeathValley
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They have two main 4 lane roads in St. Bernanrd. They are estimating 5000 trucks hauling it daily. It’s going to absolutely frick them if they build it.
Isn’t Phillip’s 66 laying off and changing? Build it there.
Whether they build in St. Bernard or Plaquemines... someone is going to have to expand infrastructure.
The plan for Port NOLA would be to build a new rail link spur from the NE corner of Jackson Barracks (roughly where the current line turns south) and head east, basically through the wetlands north of the 40 Arpent Canal, cross Paris Rd, then go all the way down to the port property (which would extend north to the 40 Arpent).
Likewise a new road would be built alongside the rail link starting at Paris Rd and follow the rail into the facility.
Judge Perez and a relocated north St. Bernard highway would have an overpass that goes over the new road / rail link.
That's the only way this works. It doesn't work with current rail/road.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 2:14 pm to LSUFanHouston
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severely disrupt parish life
Screw jobs, economic development, infrastructure development, and local exposure.
You gonna mess up dat spot where we used to take paw paws old manatee and catch dem hardheads and rat reds all the time.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 2:34 pm to TheDeathValley
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They have two main 4 lane roads in St. Bernanrd.
st bernard hwy is 4 lanes now?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 2:43 pm to MorbidTheClown
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st bernard hwy is 4 lanes now?
4 lanes from Orleans Parish Line to Paris Rd
3 lanes form Paris Rd to the Meraux Cow Pasture
2 lanes rest of way down
Posted on 12/14/21 at 2:58 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If that one gets built it's going to need road and rail expansion, but it won't go through St bernard.
Wonder if they'll ever consider building a connector road from Leo Kerner in Marrero to LA-23.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 3:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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4 lanes from Orleans Parish Line to Paris Rd
3 lanes form Paris Rd to the Meraux Cow Pasture
2 lanes rest of way down
dis da way i remember it
this site is technically in violet, right?
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:02 pm to MorbidTheClown
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this site is technically in violet, right?
Yes. Basically it's the current site of the Violet Port and everything north of there, plus the river frontage basically upriver to the Violet Canal.
If you know where Smith Elementary now sits, and Violet Park, that's smack dab in the middle of the zone. Supposedly they are going to build around the cemetery there.
Port NOLA would pay to relocate Smith Elementary to a new site with a new built school, and same with the Violet Park - will build a new park / playground elsewhere. Seems like the leading spot for both is across Judge Perez from Our Lady of Lourdes.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
What are your thoughts on this? I always see conflicting arguments about this.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
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If you know where Smith Elementary now sits,
went to middle school there when it was known as Millaudon.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
it's been a while since i've been down that way. although that cemetary was always shitty, i can see people not wanting their family's graves moved.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:10 pm to Deactived
Yep.
On top of that, isn’t St Bernard significantly emptier than it was when Katrina made landfall? I know most if not all the parish got flooded out and many who left never came back.
On top of that, isn’t St Bernard significantly emptier than it was when Katrina made landfall? I know most if not all the parish got flooded out and many who left never came back.
Posted on 12/14/21 at 4:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
Y'all keep screwing around down there in Nola and there will be no port. Memphis will upgrade, Mississippi will upgrade Vicksburg, refineries will move and there will be no reason to dock in LA
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