re: SPLC: Confederate monument relocation talks should start fresh

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In most numerical systems, 451,021 slaves is a lot bigger than 0.

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No shite Sherlock! My statements were in response to the following...

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almost all the truly northern union states had given up slavery completely by the start of the war

do you know how i know you are a liar?

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This was addressing the amount of states that gave up slavery, not the total amount of slaves. So lets address the total number then. The difference is that 14 out of 23 states had 0 slaves because it was outlawed, of the remaining 9 states, 4 had a combined total of less than 100. What remains is the border states of Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland. Border states were those that tried to stay neutral but wound up splitting sides among their own population and did not outlaw slavery at the start of the war. Those border state folks that sided with the CSA did so because they owned slaves and wanted to keep them, which of course is the whole reason for the war in the first place.

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slave owners that fought the south to protect their homes (and slaves) from the south

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This is inherently untrue, even though some states that were not considered confederate as previously mentioned still owned slaves. Legitimate historians are in consensus that those were predominately owned by those that sided with the confederacy and a small percentage were owned by Union folks that were part of the ongoing gradual emancipation.
The truth on the matter is this, there absolutely were 100's of thousands of Union soldiers that came from states that allowed slavery or from slave owning "families". However, they were not slave owners or supporters of slave ownership. These were largely men from southern and border states that were already serving in the U.S. military pre-war and graduates from West Point that stayed loyal to the U.S. Historians suggest this number to be around 300,000 Union soldiers. This fact has been twisted to sell your false narrative that Union soldiers were no better than the confederate soldiers when it comes to the issue of slavery. And that is a flat out lie! Turn off Duck Dynasty for a little while and try reading something of substance.

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Your point is dubious at best

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With your limited information I can see how you feel this way. Read up on the role of the border states during the civil war. They were neither Union nor confederate, but all counted toward the Union because if you weren't confederate by default you were Union. However, the vast majority of slave owners in those states sided with the confederacy. Lincoln did not try to force it upon them at the time because that would not have been a wise use of his troops. So as you can see...my point is very undubious.

I know plenty about the role of border states tbh

been a while since APUSH way on back in high school but I’ll trust my memory

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would love to see your source for this

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James McPherson-Princeton
Gary Gallagher-UVA
Robert Tinkler-Cal St.

They all agree and are on record as saying that the narrative of union slave ownership is false. And Gallagher is more or less a confederate sympathizer. You can do your own work on finding the excerpts.

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Anyone bothered by statues is weak.

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No one was bothered by the statues until Mitch decided he wanted to consider running for president and needed a benchmark.

SLPC is a joke

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RIchard Marksbury, spokesman for the Monument Relocation Committee issued a statement in response to the SPLC letter. "Why should anyone care about the opinion of the Southern Poverty Law Center regarding an issue which pertains to the citizens of New Orleans, who, by the way, have never been given the opportunity to vote their preference regarding the monuments?"

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