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re: SpaceX Starship Flight Test 3 | B10 crashes in Gulf, S28 burns up during reentry
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:46 pm to Lonnie Utah
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:46 pm to Lonnie Utah
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You're talking to someone who's spent time in Nasa headquarters in the past year and has his own "Try SCE to Aux" t-shirt....
So you're just a bitter NASA fanboy who is upset Musk is pulling away funding and engineers and building superior rocket systems to NASA for over a decade?
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:47 pm to Lonnie Utah
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I dunno. How many people live downrange of his launches???
Equally as many as ULA and Blue Origin risk, and they alway throw their trash in the ocean.
SpaceX is testing vehicles to be reusable when they are done. Hell, he has V2s built and V3s on the way. May as well light the rest of the V1s and learn some stuff.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:49 pm to The Pirate King
Actually I see SpaceX and Nasa as a lose partnership. By doing the stuff Musk is doing it frees nasa up to do bigger and bolder science based missions.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:53 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:54 pm to rt3
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B10 crashes in Gulf, S28 burns up during reentry
Womp womp womp
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:55 pm to The Pirate King
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So you're just a bitter NASA fanboy who is upset Musk is pulling away funding and engineers and building superior rocket systems to NASA for over a decade?
Ding Ding Ding we have a winner!!!
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:58 pm to S
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B10 crashes in Gulf, S28 burns up during reentry
Womp womp womp
The payload survived. More than ever thanks to Starlink.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:59 pm to Lonnie Utah
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By doing the stuff Musk is doing it frees nasa up to do bigger and bolder science based missions.
...which they're not going to get to do outside of low-earth orbit without Musk's rockets.
What's the purpose of all the science experiments and tests if we're never going to use it for anything meaningful? A space program that doesn't traverse any space with manned flights is the biggest money waster there is.
By the way, the SLS NASA is developing is one of the biggest boondoggles and moneywasters in history.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 6:32 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Lonnie Utah
What a twat.
Maybe you should call Elon and tell him he’s doing it wrong.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 7:40 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Lonnie Utah
Dude read a book. Do you think Alan Shepard just strolled out to the Redstone and shot up to LEO on the first try?
Thank god we didn’t have social media in the 50s.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 7:45 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Did Musk say it or not?
You’re comparing apples and oranges. The comments relate to two entirely different scenarios.
As someone else mentioned, you have no relevant historical knowledge of the space program, despite being alive before 1969. NASA had a multitude of failures in the 1950’s, and they weren’t “planned” failures, pushing the envelope like Musk does. They were simply engineering failures.
The first two manned programs for the US utilized the Redstone and Atlas ballistic missiles, which had plenty of testing and use by the military before they were used for manned space flight. Even the Saturn 1B was based off of the Jupiter and Redstone missile platforms.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 7:47 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 7:51 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Actually I see SpaceX and Nasa as a lose partnership. By doing the stuff Musk is doing it frees nasa up to do woke and woker shite.
FIFY
Posted on 3/14/24 at 7:57 pm to The Pirate King
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By the way, the SLS NASA is developing is one of the biggest boondoggles and moneywasters in history.
That's different though. That's for big and bold science-ey stuff. I can't even fathom how you can't see that.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:39 pm to Free888
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NASA had a multitude of failures in the 1950’s
Nasa didn't exist until the 2nd half of 1958. Most of the failures came via the air force at Vandenberg.
My grandpa has 5 rockets on the lunar surface
I think this note in his 40 year retirement scrapbook from McDonnell Douglas sums it up well. 
They had some doozy failures on one of his first rockets. Like thrice they fricked up launching a live nuke. They worked the kinks out and turned it into the delta rocket, which was incredibly reliable. With that said, they wheel has been invented already, decades ago. RUDs in 2024 are the glorious thing some of y'all make them out to be. Imagine for a moment if artemis had multiple RUDs, or explosions to prevent them. Y'all would be going crazy over that.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 8:59 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Real quotes from both Nasa and Elon Musk...
The context for those two statements have little in common. To juxtapose them is disingenuous.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:06 pm to MoarKilometers
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With that said, they wheel has been invented already, decades ago. RUDs in 2024 are the glorious thing some of y'all make them out to be. Imagine for a moment if artemis had multiple RUDs, or explosions to prevent them. Y'all would be going crazy over that
No, the wheel that spaceX is inventing has not been invented. Not by NASA or anyone else. SpaceX gets a pass on their explosions because it's literally part of their plan. They expect them to blow up and even tell everyone that they're gonna blow up. How people don't understand this is beyond me.
Notw if NASA said they were using a high cadence iterative design process they would get a pass I wouldn't get mad but they spend 10's of billions of dollars just tk get 1 rocket in the air. They better damn well get it right.
But let's be honest. NASA will never build, own or operate another rocket again. They've got SLS that they'd use 10 times over 15 years and that's it. It's already an obsolete design.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:15 pm to Lonnie Utah
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I'm a scientist by training and work with the engineers on my team all the time. Model rocketry is a hobby of my son and I. We've built our own launch controllers, flight computers/data loggers (and the corresponding software) for our rockets. I understand EXACTLY how test flights work.
I'm just saying that the model of not having rockets survive test flights isn't sustainable even if you're getting "good data" back from them. Half the knuckleheads on here read my comments and think that it's some kind of political statement (it's not).
Best wishes in your career.
It would prove helpful for anyone interested to look up a SpaceX pitch on systems engineering. The title includes "uncommon." Don't recall the exact title.
It was written by Dr. John Muratore. John used to work for NASA and was a key figure in developing the risk-based methodology during RTF after the Columbia tragedy.
The pitch is pretty accessible for laymen and does a good job of outlining SpaceX's approach to rapid prototyping, design and testing.
For my part, I am very impressed with what SpaceX is doing. TBH, they are a major embarrassment to NASA.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:26 pm to Lonnie Utah
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I'm just saying that the model of not having rockets survive test flights isn't sustainable even if you're getting "good data" back from them. Half the knuckleheads on here read my comments and think that it's some kind of political statement (it's not
I've asked several times, do you know what the Falcon 9 is?
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:32 pm to BugAC
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But of course, leftists hate it because he doesn't censor the right on twitter.
They also hate it because it doesn't guarantee overpaid/over-benefitted gubment jobs for the DEI crowd with questionable merit/work ethic.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 10:16 pm to Free888
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You’re comparing apples and oranges. The comments relate to two entirely different scenarios.
Not really. Both statements speak to the culture of the organizations.
Hypothetically, if I were to say to you, "Hey, you can ride one of two rockets into space. Rocket one is designed by an organization who's motto is 'Failure is not an option' and Rocket two is designed by an organization who's motto is 'Failure is an option', who would you pick?"
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 10:17 pm
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