re: Some industries just need big government

I ask this question often and always get one of 2 answers...name calling or a change of subject to one of the weather. No one wants to think too deeply about this question.


SO lets say that the only thing we know for certain about communism is that it doomed to fail of its own inefficiencies which are counter to human nature. That is generally an idea that almost everyone but commies agree on. Given that this is as near to an absolute truth the question is this...how do we know, without an arse load of money and resources spent by market economies, that communism is doomed to fail due to inefficiencies? It has never been attempted without that arse load of resources and expenditure of capital to hasten its demise. This leads to another question - why do market economies hasten the demise of communism if it is doomed to failure? Nations with controlled economies are no more prone to commit human rights violations than those in nations with market economies...all of mankind can and will be an a-hole given an opportunity....the history of nations with market economies is replete with horrendous human rights violations including those occurring as we speak, no more or less than the same abuses in nations with controlled economies. The same is true of invading other nations. It may well be that invaded other people and treating people like shite is human nature and has nothing to do at all with economics....in fact it is hard to argue other wise. So what is it that market economies are so bent on destroying in controlled economies when the latter is doomed to fail on its own without any outside influence?


I have a theory. A controlled economy can raise capital easier and in greater quantities than can happen in a market economy. The power to tax, which belongs solely with government authority, is unmatched in the free market....therefore making it impossible for the latter to actually compete with the former. There is no way the US auto industry could compete with a similar entity in the former soviet union, for example, had it not been for the western market economies insistence on ensuring the demise of the soviet union when those same economies were lauding the irrefutable fact that the soviet union was doomed to fail of its own weight. China is currently a pretty damned good example of this....despite massive amounts of external pressure and interference, having only been totally free of British Imperialism since 1997 and there is still the question of Taiwan.

We all know that communism is doomed to fail, it is unavoidable. We also know that communist nations are no more brutal or interested in expansionism than nations with market economies...history supports both of these statements. This being irrefutable, one has to ponder why nations with a vested interest in free market economics, lead by individuals with a vested interest in free market economies, spend so much time, money and effort hastening the demise of the doomed controlled economy?

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how do we know, without an arse load of money and resources spent by market economies, that communism is doomed to fail due to inefficiencies?

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Communism does not work at scale for a multitude of reasons, but the main one being what one person wants and needs is different from what the person Nextdoor to them, much less across the city, state, or country wants and needs. Centrally planing for that is impossible.

Additionally, by centrally consolidating all decision making, you remove and destroy any and all initiative from people. People are not mindless, thoughtless robots nor are we give insects, born with this internal instinct and drive to fulfill our singular or minor numbering roles all day until we die.

Why do free market economies actively work to “destroy” communist markets? Because in a capitalist society, free markets means more people to exchange with.

From a humanitarian standpoint, the quicker the collapse of a communist society, the faster individuals lives can improve.

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Nations with controlled economies are no more prone to commit human rights violations than those in nations with market economies

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We also know that communist nations are no more brutal

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Are you serious? Every single communist revolution has put the brutality of any capitalist country to shame. The only countries that even rival the brutality of communist countries are authoritarian dictatorships.

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ALl were once state owned

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Once state owned and controlled. No more.

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I think for some essentials like electricity and food maybe a big government solution is best

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You've obviously never seen government in action. Government is never the solution.

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I think for some essentials like electricity and food maybe a big government solution is best

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We need to kill the four pests! They are ruining the crop! Once we kill the pests, crop production will skyrocket and we will finally have enough food to feed our people!!!****











**** Thanks to the mass famine and millions of deaths, food production finally meets demand!

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how do we know, without an arse load of money and resources spent by market economies, that communism is doomed to fail due to inefficiencies?

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Were you not around to see the cold war and how it played out for the USSR and the satellite states it controlled?

They had an "arse load of money and resources" and went belly up in basically 50 years.