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Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:44 pm to PearlJam
quote:You are confusing "option" and "possible outcome" while glossing over the context of the gold ball pick. If you know you WILL pick a gold ball, there are 3 possible outcomes, not being specific. If you HAVE PICKED a gold ball, you only have 2 possible outcomes one of which is more likely than the other based on the possibilities having chosen a gold ball.
There isn't a third option.
So all of y'all can stfu now and wait for the next poster who says 50%.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:45 pm to CptRusty
quote:See, you don't understand the problem. You are only doing an equation, without eliminating the ball you already picked and understanding you stay with the same box.
There are three possible gold balls it could be.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:46 pm to PearlJam
quote:
See, you don't understand the problem
Christ almighty.
Before you choose a gold ball, how many gold balls are possible to be picked?
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:46 pm to PearlJam
There are two boxes that contain gold balls.
Yes, you have to draw from the same box, but you don't know which box you have chosen until you make the second draw.
Yes, you have to draw from the same box, but you don't know which box you have chosen until you make the second draw.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:47 pm to PearlJam
quote:
How could there be 2 possible gold balls in a box with 1 ball?
Because we don't know which ball we've picked.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:47 pm to CptRusty
quote:that wasn't the post you responded to.
Before you choose a gold ball, how many gold balls are possible to be picked?
Before you pick the first gold ball, there are 3 to choose from. Once you picked, you have a gold ball and a box with 1 ball. There aren't three possibilities anymore. Just 2.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:49 pm to slackster
quote:yes you do. You've picked a gold one. This the remaining ball is either gold or silver. There is a 66.7 percent chance the original box you picked was the one with 2 gold balls.
Because we don't know which ball we've picked
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:49 pm to CptRusty
quote:
There are three possible gold balls it could be.
Two of those three result in a second pull of gold.
Nah, there are only 2 possible gold balls remaining once you've chosen a gold ball.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:50 pm to PearlJam
quote:
Before you pick the first gold ball, there are 3 to choose from
Very good.
Each of those choices has a unique corresponding outcome. Period. This is what drives the probability of any given "second pull" being gold.
There is a direct one for one causal relationship between the three possible first-pulls and the three possible second-pulls.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:51 pm to PearlJam
quote:You stop short here of what everyone else is trying to say... it's 67% because 2 of the 3 possible outcomes KNOWING that you WILL pick a gold ball reside in the first box with 2 golds.
There is a 66.7 percent change the original box you picked was the one with 2 gold balls.
Why are y'all all being so thick about this?
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:51 pm to CptRusty
quote:Not exactly.
Each of those choices has a unique corresponding outcome
quote:there aren't 3, only 2 at that point
three possible second-pulls
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:52 pm to PearlJam
quote:This is slightly more enjoyable than it is annoying or else I would have given up pages ago...
yes you do. You've picked a gold one. This the remaining ball is either gold or silver. There is a 66.7 percent change the original box you picked was the one with 2 gold balls.
We've chosen one gold ball. We know it had to come from one of two boxes, but we DON'T know which box we have yet. Those boxes contained 4 balls total. Given the fact that we don't know which box we have yet, and we've only seen one ball, there are still 3 other balls that are possibilities to be pulled out.
How someone could argue otherwise is beyond my comprehension.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:52 pm to PearlJam
quote:Considering each box contains only a second ball, then yes exactly. Now, if you added a ball to each box along with adding a box, you'd be correct.
Not exactly.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:53 pm to PearlJam
The way I look at it is, if the ball comes up gold, it’s more likely that it came from the box with two gold balls, don’t you think?
You could actually replicate this experiment pretty easily. If you pull a silver ball discard that trial. If you pull gold, count how often the next ball in the box is gold vs how often it is silver. So it like 20 times and see what happens.
You could actually replicate this experiment pretty easily. If you pull a silver ball discard that trial. If you pull gold, count how often the next ball in the box is gold vs how often it is silver. So it like 20 times and see what happens.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:53 pm to ell_13
quote:
Why are y'all all being so thick about this?
Because no one has come in here and seriously questioned the 67% in an hour or more.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:54 pm to TheIndulger
quote:Not enough. You'd have to be closer to 10,000 to get close to the correct number.
So it like 20 times and see what happens.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:54 pm to slackster
quote:
Because no one has come in here and seriously questioned the 67% in an hour or more.
I am trying to figure out what exactly Pearl is arguing.
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:54 pm to slackster
quote:you got it up to this point.
This is slightly more enjoyable than it is annoying or else I would have given up pages ago...
We've chosen one gold ball. We know it had to come from one of two boxes, but we DON'T know which box we have yet.
quote:This ignores the fact that you have preselected the box and will only pull the remaining ball from that box. They weren't all in the same box and we're paired off. Once you know you have a gold, only two options remain on your next pull.
Those boxes contained 4 balls total. Given the fact that we don't know which box we have yet, and we've only seen one ball, there are still 3 other balls that are possibilities to be pulled out
Posted on 7/23/18 at 3:54 pm to slackster
quote:
Because no one has come in here and seriously questioned the 67% in an hour or more.
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