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re: So im more convinced than ever that the govt allowed 9/11 to happen

Posted on 8/7/17 at 5:40 pm to GumboPot

Posted by OweO

Plaquemine, La

Member since Sep 2009

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 5:40 pm to GumboPot

I think you also have to factor in the fact there was a 400 ton plane stuck in the middle of the building.

Nevermind, I see this is being discussed.

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Posted by upgrayedd

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 5:57 pm to GumboPot

You're telling me that there's no way that the towers could've been affected by being struck by a plane because the engineers designed it that way. That's immediately removing the possibility that their preventative measures were ineffective. You can't just say "it's impossible because the engineers said so". There's plenty of iron workers in the plants that can tell you that's not true.

They say that the 767 is 30 tons heavier than a 707. You don't think that if that extra weight was used to stiffen and reinforce the airframe that it would have a different affect on the anticipated characteristics of a 707 crash? Surely there's more to the equation than mass x velocity.

This caption also kinda makes me question their argument

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Early design tests confirmed that the Twin Towers could survive the impact of a Boeing 707, which is similar in size to the Boeing 767s (or reinforced military jets painted to look like commercial airplanes) that crashed into them on 9/11.

Why would they reinforce a jet if all they needed to do was have the appearance of crashing into the towers and letting the explosives do the work?

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Posted by TbirdSpur2010

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:00 pm to upgrayedd

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Why would they reinforce a jet if all they needed to do was have the appearance of crashing into the towers and letting the explosives do the work?

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Posted by JustinT37

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:01 pm to Btrtigerfan

Under the FISA act, idk who signed that unconstitutional bill of illegal spying. Snowden knows!!

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Posted by RogerTheShrubber

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:03 pm to upgrayedd

I can't believe some people still buy some of the whacked out conspiracies in this thread.

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Posted by northshorebamaman

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:03 pm to upgrayedd

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Why would they reinforce a jet if all they needed to do was have the appearance of crashing into the towers and letting the explosives do the work?

Why would you use jets at all if you've wired the building with explosives? Was the total collapse not thought to be dramatic enough?

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Posted by upgrayedd

Lifting at Tobin's house

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:09 pm to northshorebamaman

Fear factor, I suppose.

However, that means you have to make 4 planes worth of people disappear as well as come up with 19 AQ patsy highjackers that have to disappear too.

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Posted by Willie Stroker

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:14 pm to GumboPot

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That's why structural engineers use a factor of safety designing steel buildings. That's why office fires have never collapsed a steel framed building in the history of steel framed high rise buildings ever except for 911.

bullshite.

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Posted by northshorebamaman

Mackinac Island

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:14 pm to upgrayedd

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However, that means you have to make 4 planes worth of people disappear as well as come up with 19 AQ patsy highjackers that have to disappear too.

Right. That's what I mean. That adds a ton of unnecessary moving parts and it's not like spontaneously collapsing high rises aren't terrifying on their own. It just doesn't make sense to do it that way.

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Posted by Placebeaux

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 6:54 pm to therick711

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. It doesn't take a whole lot of imagination

Yes it does to believe this building fell in sync by shear chance.

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Posted by Bunk Moreland

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 7:12 pm to Ace Midnight

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I'm not saying it's impossible for there have been a internal plot to drop those buildings. But, it would have had to involve literally hundreds, if not thousands of people.

Yeah, with WTC7, you could make the argument there were enough government agencies that had access to wire it up for demolition or whatever. But, on the towers, I just don't see it (despite truthers pointing to some shutdown a bit before the event).

I always felt like the physical evidence truther stuff, even if it had some validity, could never go anywhere because it just comes down to which experts you believe. And the government will almost always have more and better experts, not to mention the ability to float disinfo to discredit alternative theories. Some of the non-physical evidence like the wargames, Pakistani general who wired money to Atta meeting with govt reps in DC on 9/11, and Sibel Edmonds testimony is dirty as shite and may point somewhat to let it happen on purpose.

But, my question to truthers who are all in the towers being blown up, a drone at the Pentagon, and the Pennsylvania crash site being a fake is this? How do you get around the cell and airphone calls? Were they staged? Were the family members on the other end of the line crisis actors?

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Posted by GumboPot

Member since Mar 2009

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Posted on 8/7/17 at 8:49 pm to Willie Stroker

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bullshite.

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Actually that video you posted illustrating high rise buildings on fire are showing very expected outcomes. Here are some still frames from your video:

While burning:

Aftermath:

See the asymmetrical results. That's what would be expected.

Now to address your other concern see the second bullet point:

That conclusion is from the NIST report. The official federal government report.

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Posted by Placebeaux

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Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:48 am to GumboPot

Why they believe this lie is beyond me. The evidence of controlled demolition is insurmountable.

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Posted by Willie Stroker

Member since Sep 2008

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Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:30 am to Placebeaux

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Why they believe this lie is beyond me. The evidence of controlled demolition is insurmountable.

The evidence is the way it looked when it collapsed? Gravity is the reason WTC7 collapsed downward, resembling a controlled demolition.

At 439 ft. tall Detroit, Michigan's JL Hudson’s department store is the tallest building & the tallest structural steel building ever imploded. WTC7 was 610 feet tall. With the amount of explosives needed to take down that building, it would be 100% impossible to hide the evidence.

Yet not a single detonation cord was found nor photographed, not one shock tube was found nor photographed, no remnants of blasting caps were found nor photographed, no copper backing from explosive charges were found nor photographed, no burn marks along clean cut edges of support columns were found nor photographed until it was necessary to begin doing so after the building had already collapsed.

Never in history of any building detonation has all evidence of the detonation completely dissolved. Yet you and other kooks insist on believing against all facts and logic that it still occurred?

The truth is the Truther movement is not about the truth. It's about a bunch of kooks committing to some fantastic narrative where a world record of controlled demolition was broken in the heart of NYC with the whole world watching, and evil government officials getting away with it, and not a lick of evidence to support this kooky narrative.

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Posted by Placebeaux

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Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:28 am to Willie Stroker

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not a lick of evidence to support this kooky narrative.

Yeah alright. All the sheeple have to stand on is the official story done by the government, yet experts in the field of archeology and demolition are kooks. I stand with science and physics where you stand with popular opinion.

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Posted by upgrayedd

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Posted on 8/8/17 at 9:34 am to Placebeaux

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Yeah alright. All the sheeple have to stand on is the official story done by the government, yet experts in the field of archeology and demolition are kooks. I stand with science and physics where you stand with popular opinion.

Nicely done

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Posted by GumboPot

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Posted on 8/8/17 at 10:10 am to Willie Stroker

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Yet not a single detonation cord was found nor photographed, not one shock tube was found nor photographed, no remnants of blasting caps were found nor photographed, no copper backing from explosive charges were found nor photographed, no burn marks along clean cut edges of support columns were found nor photographed until it was necessary to begin doing so after the building had already collapsed.

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Residues Consistent With Incendiaries

Analysis of the chemical composition of dust samples provides further evidence of aluminothermic arson. For example, dust samples contained particles with high levels of manganese, zinc, and barium. 6 Barium is a toxic metal used in a number of industrial processes, but unlikely to be present in significant quantities in an office building. It is, however, useful as a catalyst and accelerant of aluminothermic reactions. Zinc, barium and sulfur are all common in military thermites. 7

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These frames from an amateur video show the northeast corner of the South Tower seconds before its precipitous fall. The spout of orange molten metal and rising white smoke has the appearance of a thermite reaction.
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