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re: So I just replaced all my 15A outlets with 20A...but realized most breakers are 15A

Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:14 am to
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:14 am to
Twist wire? What gauge is your wire? Generally it just snaps into the outlet, the screws are only for heavier gauge wire.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:14 am to
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is there an advantage to swapping 15A breakers to 20 or given this should I just leave it alone?


Let it be. Did you change out the wire to 12 gauge for the 20A plugs? If not, the wire isn't rated for 20 amp anyway. I wouldn't go changing the breakers either, since they were probably installed with the total amps coming into your house in mind.

You'd only really need 20 amp circuits for like the kitchen or if you have a circuit or two using a lot of devices on the circuit at one time.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:14 am to
quote:

ll the electrical circuits in your home are rated to handle a certain amount of electrical flow (amps). When too many amps flow through a circuit, the wires overheat and can catch surrounding materials (like insulation) on fire.

Luckily, your circuit breaker detects when there’s too much electrical flow and “trips” (breaks the circuit).

For example, let’s say you have a circuit with wiring rated to handle 15 amps. To protect all the wiring in that circuit, a 15-amp circuit breaker is installed. And if more than 15 amps flows through the circuit, the breaker trips.

The tripping breaker is not the problem, but a sign that you have a problem somewhere that could cause your wires to overheat and start a fire.

Now let’s say you decided to upgrade that 15-amp breaker to a 20-amp breaker. You’ll now have a circuit breaker that will allow up to 20 amps of electricity to wiring that is only rated to be safe up to 15 amps.

See the problem? You’re creating a fire hazard!

Sure, the breaker is less likely to trip. But it’s at the expense of damaging your home and putting your family at risk.

That’s not a tradeoff you want to make.




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Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:14 am to
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BTW i want to install 2 220 outlets..... it doesnt look too hard.



its not you can do it if you can change a tire and oil in a car you can run a few 220 circuits. google it electricity is pretty straight forward.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
51639 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:14 am to
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you stupid frick




Give the man a break. Not everyone understands electricity. Give him credit for asking for advice when he knows he's not an expert. I'm sure he's versed in shite that you don't know the first thing about.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94730 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:15 am to
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Twist wire? What gauge is your wire? Generally it just snaps into the outlet, the screws are only for heavier gauge wire.


the 20A outlets don't have holes for the wires.

and the wire is too thick to push into the tiny holes on the 15A outlets.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:17 am to
Summer is coming, replace them all with these:

Posted by toosleaux
Stuck in Baton Rouge traffic
Member since Dec 2007
9497 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:18 am to
I would just burn the house down now to quit delaying the inevitable. Sorry for your loss.
Posted by Dan Bilzerian
..on my yacht or jet.
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:18 am to
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So I just replaced all my 15A outlets with 20A...but realized most breakers are 15A




You're fine.

Your outlets will never see 20A since you are protected upstream at 15A. Now, if you had 20A breakers with 15A outlets, you then could have issues, but only if you're constantly drawing more than 15A through that outlet.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 11:24 am
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19320 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:19 am to
ck the gauge on the insulation by the box if its 12 you are gtg to swap breakers
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 9:23 am
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:19 am to
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I'd swap the outlets out if it were me.



Absolutely no need to do this. If anything Cad has now made things a bit safer because the outlets are built more robustly and thus less prone to high-resistance connections that can lead to fires. Going to back to 15amp outlets would be a slight downgrade.


Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94730 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:20 am to
on a related note; the 'cheap' 15a outlets were 10/$5. the ones I bought were 10/$20.

the difference is amazing. i would never go back to the shitty $5 outlets.
Posted by Sayre
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Nov 2011
5754 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:25 am to
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Replace the breakers


Do not do that unless you are certain that the wire between the breaker and the outlets is rated for 20A. More than likely it's not.

The 15A breakers are there to protect the wiring from overcurrent.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19990 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:25 am to
If you have to sell your house and the inspector has even the slightest clue about the NEC, you'll get dinged for them. The chances of anyone actually plugging in a 20A appliance is small but the code is designed to prevent that from happening anyway. By putting in 20A receptacles you've created the potential since now it's possible to plug in a 20A appliance on your 15A branch circuits.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74900 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:26 am to
If you are saying the sum of the amp rating of all breakers must be less than the shut off amperage, then that's just incorrect.
Posted by gorillacoco
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
5328 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:30 am to
As someone else noted, if you have 14 ga wire anywhere in the house you need the 15A breakers (not 20A) or you will be
A. Not Code compliant and
B. Creating a very real fire hazard
So unless you can confirm that ALL your wire is 12AWG copper, I would highly recommend not going that route.

About twisting the wire: you could just use pliars but the better answer is that when you buy outlets just get the 'preferred' tier outlets that have the little plate you can slip the wires under instead of twisting around the screw. As it stands right now, the 15A breaker should still protect your wires, and should trip off if you plug in some giant load that needs a 20A plug. Honestly there's nothing physically stopping you from putting more than 15A on a duplex receptacle anyway, you would just have to plug into both outlets (or multiple outlets on the same circuit). The breakers are designed to protect against this scenario so having 20A outlets really isn't adding much additional risk.

And lastly, what you don't want to hear: even though you didn't add much more risk, the right thing to do is to get the right outlets and reinstall them. Live and learn.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74900 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:33 am to
This. My only 20 amps are to the fridge, outside outlets.

A 15 amp outlet/breaker/wire can handle an appliance up to 1750 watts. So if you have something that draws over 1500 watts then 20amp is the better option.

This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 9:34 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94730 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:34 am to
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So unless you can confirm that ALL your wire is 12AWG copper, I would highly recommend not going that route.


i dont have a tool to measure it, but i can tell you the wire is IMPOSSIBLE to bend and even more of a PITA to get the outlet back into the wall.

most of my outlets have 4 wires and a ground (2 white, 2 black) so after switching them to the new outlet, getting it back into the wall was a challenge.

the wire is also too big to fit into the 'little' black holes on the cheapo outlets. it was on the existing outlets twisted around the screws and damn near impossible to get off without taking the screws COMPLETELY off.

iow its super thick, stiff wire.
This post was edited on 2/5/18 at 9:36 am
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74900 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:35 am to
If it doesn't fit into the holes in the outlet then it's not 14 gauge. It's 12. Or larger.

Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
56622 posts
Posted on 2/5/18 at 9:38 am to
The breaker controls the circuit.

Check your breaker panel you may already have a 15 amp breaker.

No worries
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