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re: Smith Shooter's Lawyer "My Client Was Not The Aggressor"

Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118233 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
So, I can provoke you into going for your gun, then shoot you and blame your death on you?
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
42192 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

One Magazine St. business owner said NOPD told him not to release video of Will Smith's SUV hitting vehicle driven by alleged shooter.


From Paul Murphy WWL-TV Reporter Twitter
Posted by uptownsage
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2014
2156 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
So the witness should have seen the entire event in person, including the shooting based on what you are saying. Funny, the witness doesn't say that, only that he heard arguing and fireworks or gunshots.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
I disagree. The defense can show that easily if that's the case. The question, assuming Smith had and drew a gun, is whether this is murder or manslaughter. It isn't self-defense when you chase somebody down and draw a gun. The defense of property is not justification for creating this kind of situation.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:07 pm to
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No, he didn't really pull over all the way; he was still blocking traffic behind him. He wasn't pulled over all the way to the parking meters.


Lol.

I guess the guy you called an N bomb didn't beat any sense into you
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
20316 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:08 pm to
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I am curious to know if all the shots fired were from one gun.



The police news conference stated that all the casings matched the gun that's now in evidence.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
40304 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:08 pm to
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So, I can provoke you into going for your gun, then shoot you and blame your death on you?



If you are in a verbal altercation and you say "I have a gun" and then reach into your waistband, you can and likely will be justifiably shot.

Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27814 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:10 pm to
A video has been released by someone. Not sure if it is the video that NOPD didn't want released. WWL got a video and it is out there now.

If NOPD doesn't want the video released there must be a reason. Why?

Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108546 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:10 pm to
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So, I can provoke you into going for your gun, then shoot you and blame your death on you?


No. Absolutely not

But we do not not who the initial provoker was

Some argued Zimmerman was the initial provoker by following Trayvon so he should not be able to use self defense

The courts disagreed and Zimmerman walked

If Fuller can prove Hayes did not reasonably provoke Smith into reaching for a gun, then Hayes will walk

Why can't you agree to that Net? Seems fair
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
118233 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:10 pm to
If I provoke a gun owner, they anounce they have a gun, I shoot them and kill them, but never see a gun, that's justifiable homicide?
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148355 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:10 pm to
This thread is comparably embarrassing for the Tiger Dropping's community as my straw cowboy hat.
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
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police news conference stated that all the casings matched the gun that's now in evidence.



Well I'm glad that's settled. We can go home everyone. Case. Closed.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73953 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
95% of Black males age 18-35 in Orleans parish are following a car that hits them and runs, whether they have insurance or not

WHY do they do a lot of the things they do? It's a social issue

Now one of their own is dead and another possible going to jail over a situation that could've been avoided (as in most cases w their senseless violence)
Posted by arseinclarse
Member since Apr 2007
35302 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
Have to love the NOPD making arrests, then doing their investigation.
Posted by Festus
With Skillet
Member since Nov 2009
86055 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:11 pm to
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f you are in a verbal altercation and you say "I have a gun" and then reach into your waistband, you can and likely will be justifiably shot.

What if the other person pulls their gun first, and you are pulling your gun in response? You still think the first guy that pulled the gun is justified simply because you were going for your gun to protect yourself?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108546 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:12 pm to
George Zimemrman chase Trayvon Martin down and got off on self defense

The question is did Smith have reasonable fear to warrant pulling a gun? If he did, then Hayes was the initial aggressor and can't use self defense


If Smith did not have reasonable fear to pull a gun, then Hayes can uses self defense
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40304 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:12 pm to
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If I provoke a gun owner, they anounce they have a gun, I shoot them and kill them,


You're missing an element here...
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:13 pm to
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This thread is comparably embarrassing for the Tiger Dropping's community as my straw cowboy hat.




You take that back. Your hat is worse.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27814 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:13 pm to
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The police news conference stated that all the casings matched the gun that's now in evidence.


So only one gun is evidence?

All guns eject casings?
Posted by N2cars
Close by
Member since Feb 2008
37989 posts
Posted on 4/12/16 at 1:14 pm to
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If NOPD doesn't want the video released there must be a reason. Why?




Simple incompetence.

The NOPD lacks the collective intelligence to frame (or unframe) anyone.

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