re: Smith Shooter&#39;s Lawyer &quot;My Client Was Not The Aggressor&quot;

Posted by arseinclarse

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:25 pm to Fun Bunch

Fletchers isn't an atty. Did Fuller indicate that a 2nd gun was at the scene? It's confusing as hell. Just report what he said.

Posted by Fun Bunch

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:25 pm to Chad504boy

Even Will Smith having a gun isn't that relevant. Where as the gun? Did Hayes know he had a gun as opposed to Smith just talking shite?

He has to have a reasonable belief that he is in imminent danger, and he can't have been the aggressor.

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Posted by bencoleman

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:26 pm to tigerskin

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The video of the white dude on the scene stated this. That is why the shooter never left the scene. Smith said he had a gun and shooter said I do too. That will "back up" their claim of self defense. Now I doubt the law allows u to shoot someone if the other person just infers they are going to shoot you first but I don't know

OK this sheds a whole new light on things

Posted by Rebel

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:27 pm to Chad504boy

This is why speculating on these type of crimes is pointless.

Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch

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He has to have a reasonable belief that he is in imminent danger, and he can't have been the aggressor.

witness said hayes was freaking out on will and specifically stated something about we want to fight you (will smith). That's when will said GET OUT OF CAR(something), i have a gun. (meaning he was feeling need to protect himself, that's when hayes said frick ya'll i have one too... bang bang bang

Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:29 pm to Rebel

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This is why speculating on these type of crimes is pointless.

i'm only said what a first hand witness said. You have assholes in here cherry picking lines from witness without portraying whole picture of what witness said.

Posted by civiltiger07

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:30 pm to PurpleandGold Motown

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It's happened more than once

LINK?

Posted by Lester Earl

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:31 pm to arseinclarse

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Travers Mackel ?@TraversMackel 6m6 minutes ago
Fuller: 'We have reason to believe there was a second gun at the scene.' Latest on Will Smith murder case. @wdsu

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Fuller: (when asked if a suspected second gun at the murder scene belonged to anyone in Smith's party) 'we'll deal that later.' @wdsu

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Meg Gatto ?@MegGattoFOX8 4m4 minutes ago
Fuller says someone on the scene before the shooting said to Cardell Hayes "you better have a gun on you"

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Posted by JohnnyKilroy

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:32 pm to Fun Bunch

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He has to have a reasonable belief that he is in imminent danger, and he can't have been the aggressor.

If you're getting into with a dude who says "I have a gun" and then he starts going through their center console/glove compartment/etc., wouldn't that lead to a reasonable belief that the guy is going to imminently produce a weapon?

Not saying that's exactly how it went down. Not saying that's enough to claim self defense. But If I'm getting into a shouting match with a dude I just into an accident with and he says "I've got a gun" and then goes back to his car, I think it's a reasonable assumption that he's coming back with his gun and not his insurance information.

Posted by Rebel

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:33 pm to Chad504boy

Sorry Chad. I didn't direct my post just to you. It was to everybody that has already formed some type of conclusion either way based on supposed eyewitness accounts that are so poorly worded.

Posted by arseinclarse

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl

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Fuller says someone on the scene before the shooting said to Cardell Hayes "you better have a gun on you"

I guess it's Hayes' word against Smith's.

Posted by Rebel

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:36 pm to arseinclarse

Did Smith give a statement?

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Posted by Chad504boy

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl

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said to Cardell Hayes "you better have a gun on you"

ah, awesome reason to go want to fight someone in a street while packing heat in your fat arse gut.

Posted by Scooba

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:39 pm to Rebel

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Did Smith give a statement

His wife?

Posted by arseinclarse

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:39 pm to Rebel

:sarcasm:

Posted by mardigrarita

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Posted on 4/11/16 at 3:40 pm to Chad504boy

Regarding if Hayes was "freaking out" on WS, has it been confirmed/determined which one had his shirt off prior to the shooting during the altercation...I read where more than one witness reported this...to me, that might indicate someone is "freaking out" if he tears off his shirt.