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Slogans don’t matter, clarity of message matters
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:28 am
Some people get mad when you say ALL LIVES MATTER, and other people get mad when you say BLACK LIVES MATTER. What’s missing is clarity of the message that regurgitating catchy but confusing slogans fails to deliver on, and intelligent discussions do deliver on.
When someone says BLACK LIVES MATTER, the message conveys different things to different peoples because the message and intent behind the message is missing, and whether that’s ambiguous by design or due to an inability to use the English language to convey the message clearly, the fact remains that it’s lost.
Due to it’s ties to an admitted Marxist organization, and the conduct they’ve seen on display recently, many see this as a divisional and a racist agenda to say Black Lives Matter, and it’s nothing more than a means of dividing America in a time when we should all be progressing toward eliminating race from our lives.
Others say Black Lives Matter, and mean that while all lives matter, Black Lives are the ones being attacked in their opinion, and black lives matter too.
Still others say Black Lives Matter, and because of their hateful and racist divisional rhetoric, the impression is that they truly don’t care about any lives but Black ones, so Black lives matter more.
In an attempt put distance between themselves an the whole BLM movement, many have adopted the slogan ALL LIVES MATTER, and that message becomes vague to people.
Some see this as an attempt to be inclusive and not racially biased as they see the BLM movement as being by specifying a race, and so try to bring everyone together under one slogan to not tolerate the senseless loss of ANY life.
Others see this as an attempt to exclude the importance of Blacks losing their lives, and/or ignoring the importance of black lives lost to police violence
ALL of this is a result of people using confusing slogans that can mean different things to different people to get messages across rather than intelligent discussions so that everyone is clear what the message is about, OR simply come up with a slogan that there is no need to clarify because the slogan is able to be clearly understood by everyone like below....
No need for clarification. The message is clear, because it is obvious, and yes, we can all agree that they are men, so then the obvious conclusion is to say “Then treat me like a man”. You can debate as to whether they are or are not being treated like men, but you can never misconstrue what the message says.
When someone says BLACK LIVES MATTER, the message conveys different things to different peoples because the message and intent behind the message is missing, and whether that’s ambiguous by design or due to an inability to use the English language to convey the message clearly, the fact remains that it’s lost.
Due to it’s ties to an admitted Marxist organization, and the conduct they’ve seen on display recently, many see this as a divisional and a racist agenda to say Black Lives Matter, and it’s nothing more than a means of dividing America in a time when we should all be progressing toward eliminating race from our lives.
Others say Black Lives Matter, and mean that while all lives matter, Black Lives are the ones being attacked in their opinion, and black lives matter too.
Still others say Black Lives Matter, and because of their hateful and racist divisional rhetoric, the impression is that they truly don’t care about any lives but Black ones, so Black lives matter more.
In an attempt put distance between themselves an the whole BLM movement, many have adopted the slogan ALL LIVES MATTER, and that message becomes vague to people.
Some see this as an attempt to be inclusive and not racially biased as they see the BLM movement as being by specifying a race, and so try to bring everyone together under one slogan to not tolerate the senseless loss of ANY life.
Others see this as an attempt to exclude the importance of Blacks losing their lives, and/or ignoring the importance of black lives lost to police violence
ALL of this is a result of people using confusing slogans that can mean different things to different people to get messages across rather than intelligent discussions so that everyone is clear what the message is about, OR simply come up with a slogan that there is no need to clarify because the slogan is able to be clearly understood by everyone like below....
No need for clarification. The message is clear, because it is obvious, and yes, we can all agree that they are men, so then the obvious conclusion is to say “Then treat me like a man”. You can debate as to whether they are or are not being treated like men, but you can never misconstrue what the message says.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:30 am to Mike da Tigah
"Abolish ICE" and "defund the police" are pretty fricking clear.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:39 am to Mike da Tigah
People who shout “all lives matter” tend to be indifferent at best toward black and brown peoples.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:40 am to messyjesse
And, “F$#k the Police” and “Kill the Police”....very clear and direct. BLM can rot in Hell.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:41 am to Mike da Tigah
Until they address the black on black killings and violence, their message is not clear, neither is their argument
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:41 am to Mike da Tigah
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Mike da Tigah
That's a whole lotta Whitesplaining
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:41 am to S
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People who shout “all lives matter” tend to be indifferent at best toward black and brown peoples.
A lot of black and brown people tend to be indifferent towards other black and brown people
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 8:42 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:45 am to Mike da Tigah
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due to an inability to use the English language to convey the message clearly
Racist
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:47 am to Mike da Tigah
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Due to it’s ties to an admitted Marxist organization, and the conduct they’ve seen on display recently, many see this as a divisional and a racist agenda to say Black Lives Matter, and it’s nothing more than a means of dividing America
Its 100% this if you look at their platform, their founders, backers, and the hypocrisy of what is and is not important to them. If you think any of the other stuff, you're uninformed, being willfully ignorant, or a brainwashed useful idiot.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 8:49 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:49 am to S
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People who shout “all lives matter” tend to be indifferent at best toward black and brown peoples.
While that may be an impression, it’s certainly not rooted in anything other than one’s impression. And that’s why we need to discuss things rather than identify with slogans and try to get points across.
If I say “Jesus Loves You” am I saying that He loves you, or am I saying you don’t believe that Jesus loves you but He does, or am I saying that you need Jesus’ love because you’re a hot mess, or am I trying to push Jesus’ love on you?
Instead of telling you Jesus loves you, wouldn’t it be much more effective to discuss it and explain how He loves you for you to come away with a clear understanding of His love for you personally?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:51 am to Mike da Tigah
If only there were some kind of political board where you could post this.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:52 am to Capstone2017
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If only there were some kind of political board where you could post this.
If only this were political and not societal.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:53 am to S
quote:This crap keeps heating up and there will be more of us with the mindset "no lives matter".
People who shout “all lives matter” tend to be indifferent at best toward black and brown peoples.
We need a thorough culling anyway, so let's get this party started!
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:53 am to Mike da Tigah
quote:this is 100% political
only there were some kind of political board where you could post this.
If only this were political and not societal
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:56 am to Rouge
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this is 100% political
Oh, it’s being used politically, but race relations is an issue with society and how we treat one another,.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:00 am to Mike da Tigah
I am a man can be misconstrued in precisely the same way as black lives matter.
If you think someone saying "black lives matter" intends to exclude others, then you can interpret "I am a man" as intending to exclude others. If black lives matter means that no other lives matter, then I am a man means that no one who lacks my characteristics is a man.
If you think someone saying "black lives matter" intends to exclude others, then you can interpret "I am a man" as intending to exclude others. If black lives matter means that no other lives matter, then I am a man means that no one who lacks my characteristics is a man.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:01 am to messyjesse
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Abolish ICE" and "defund the police" are pretty fricking clear.
And clearly stupid
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:08 am to Joshjrn
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then you can interpret "I am a man" as intending to exclude others.
Not true. Nobody thinks that they are being excluded from being a man, or another man is better than another simply because RACE is not being brought into the discussion to make it a driver. It’s BECAUSE race isn’t being brought up as a point of discussion that the message is clear. A man is a man. Pretty simple and to the point.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:12 am to Mike da Tigah
One is ambiguous and one is not.
Clearly ALL LIVES MATTER is completely inclusive. Black people are alive so their lives are included and are equally important though statistics support that black on black crime is the greatest danger to black lives.
In sharp contrast, BLACK LIVES MATTER focuses on a single race suggesting the exclusion of other races. And again, since black on black crime and frankly black crime in general is the real issue, this focus seems hollow unless action steps are taken to openly and honestly deal with the problems.
In short, we will have arrived as a mature society when race is no longer a distinction.
Clearly ALL LIVES MATTER is completely inclusive. Black people are alive so their lives are included and are equally important though statistics support that black on black crime is the greatest danger to black lives.
In sharp contrast, BLACK LIVES MATTER focuses on a single race suggesting the exclusion of other races. And again, since black on black crime and frankly black crime in general is the real issue, this focus seems hollow unless action steps are taken to openly and honestly deal with the problems.
In short, we will have arrived as a mature society when race is no longer a distinction.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:15 am to Mike da Tigah
Sloganeers are a dime a dozen. The ability to THINK is in short supply, especially when critical thinking inevitably leads an honest and good man to stand against the violent Progressive Mob. To utilize Critical Thinking is essentially to be a Cultural Dissident in 2020 America.
Either EACH life matters or each life does not matter. Pretty simple. And no matter how widespread the slogan “ black lives matter “ becomes, those of us who believe in equal protection under The Rule of Law, and who reject the entire notion of Collective Guilt, are NEVER going to elevate the value of the lives of one race over the value of the lives of another race. Because EACH LIFE MATTERS. Give me The Bill of Rights and the sloganeers can have their Marxist slogans and bumper- sticker philosophies.
Either EACH life matters or each life does not matter. Pretty simple. And no matter how widespread the slogan “ black lives matter “ becomes, those of us who believe in equal protection under The Rule of Law, and who reject the entire notion of Collective Guilt, are NEVER going to elevate the value of the lives of one race over the value of the lives of another race. Because EACH LIFE MATTERS. Give me The Bill of Rights and the sloganeers can have their Marxist slogans and bumper- sticker philosophies.
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