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Singularity - Who thinks it’s approaching, possibly soon?

Posted on 7/25/19 at 9:57 am
Posted by Jimbeaux
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 9:57 am
Much has been written about the coming singularity, as commonly defined, the advancement of artificial intelligence to surpass human intelligence, or as alternately defined, artificial intelligence that becomes self-aware, or also as defined, intelligence that self propagates.

Have we moved past the point where we think this is likely or even possible?

Anyone heard of George Gilder, and his latest book, Life After Google?

In a recent interview, he made the following statement as part of the support for his position that advanced artificial intelligence will always simply be a tool and not akin to human intelligence, “Thinking doesn’t produce consciousness. Consciousness produces thinking.”

YouTube of Heritage Foundation interview with George Gilder
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:01 am to
If you program a machine, does it have free will, or is it limited to the information within the programming?

Posted by Woodreaux
OC California
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:01 am to
We're watching a race to see what arrives first: the AI singularity or humanity hitting full idiocracy.
Posted by 995webmaster
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:06 am to
I don't know if there's a singularity approaching.

But I do know that a singularly stupid thread has already arrived and this is it.
Posted by Jimbeaux
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:10 am to
Let me be clear, the point of the book, Life After Google, which I have not read, does not appear to be directly about AI, but rather focuses on why cloud based computing is fundamentally flawed in its understanding of human knowledge and how we think and act.

He predicts that block chain information technology such as what’s utilized in cryptocurrency will lead us to the next transformation of our economy and our world culture.
Posted by 19
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:12 am to
quote:

If you program a machine, does it have free will, or is it limited to the information within the programming? 



Are we under their control or are they under our control or what?
-Newcleus, 1984
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:12 am to
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But I do know that a singularly stupid thread has already arrived and this is it.


Sorry the thread is a little unfocused. I accept your criticism.
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:13 am to
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Thinking doesn’t produce consciousness. Consciousness produces thinking.”


I’d like to agree with this, but I’m not sure how this statement can be objectively true when we really don’t understand scientifically what consciousness is.
Posted by tilco
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:13 am to
Oh good. Another nerd thread where they pretend to be terrified that AI will kill us all.
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:22 am to
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Oh good. Another nerd thread where they pretend to be terrified that AI will kill us all.”


The guy in the OP is saying the exact opposite
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:28 am
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:24 am to
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But I do know that a singularly stupid thread has already arrived and this is it.


Sounded a lot cooler in your head, huh?
Posted by 50_Tiger
Arlington TX
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:25 am to
Were not even close baw.

Once, networks allow seamless gigabit connection that covers the planet, let me know.

Comms, whether verbal or binary, is essentially the key to establishing a hierarchy and collective mind.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:31 am to
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If you program a machine, does it have free will, or is it limited to the information within the programming?



If it learns abilities and is able to go above and beyond it's program in addition to altering his program i reckon that would be scary af
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:34 am to
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Comms, whether verbal or binary, is essentially the key to establishing a hierarchy and collective mind.


That generally the point of Musk's crazy arse Neuralink company. He's not really interested in making the brain "smarter". He's interested in making the brain FASTER. His idea is that the average human brain is already fantastically well suited to computation. The bottleneck is our senses and how quickly information can be fed into the brain. Neuralink's whole goal is to get your brain to be able to communicate with all the world's networks as fast as your computer can communicate with the internet.

A vast majority of your time at work is spent just finding and retrieving information, not working with it. He wants to eliminate that idle down time.

Imagine how much more work you could get done all day if you could constantly read and post on TD in the background without all the typing and reading.
This post was edited on 7/25/19 at 10:36 am
Posted by 50_Tiger
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:41 am to
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TigerstuckinMS




You get it baw! :)
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:42 am to
The sooner the better.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 10:55 am to
If singularity comes it'll be one of those things like an asteroid that we only see when it is too late. That is my opinion.
Posted by StupidBinder
Jawja
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:13 am to
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If it learns abilities and is able to go above and beyond it's program in addition to altering his program i reckon that would be scary af


That’s essentially what machine learning is doing today, but it can only do so within the parameters that a human sets.

AI that plays chess can essentially “write its own code” and make itself better at playing chess, but that’s really it. It can’t “figure out” that it needs to change it’s own scope and start doing other things any more than you and I can sprout wings and fly.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 7/25/19 at 11:16 am to
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Much has been written about the coming singularity, as commonly defined, the advancement of artificial intelligence to surpass human intelligence, or as alternately defined, artificial intelligence that becomes self-aware, or also as defined, intelligence that self propagates.

Sounds like three different and distinct definitions to me.
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