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re: Shower handle snapped off. Repair ideas?

Posted on 7/29/18 at 10:40 pm to
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 10:40 pm to
To see what size tool the job calls for use an empty toilet paper roll.

You’re welcomed in advance.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 10:49 pm to
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Waiting on updates. I know you didn't go to bed with the job half done.


The shower is in a detached pool/game room with its own water cut off. I’ll mess with it some more tomorrow afternoon. Had to walk away from it I’ll call a plumber if I can’t get it. I appreciate your help
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 10:52 pm to
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His shower valve looks too old to have a retaining clip like in the youtube video


That’s what I’m thinking.

In the pic I posted, there is a brass fitting. The fitting itself won’t pull out because there is a flange on the back of it. Whatever the insert is (cartridge/valve stem) can’t be pulled out because the brass fitting seems to have a lip inside (looks like a washer but it’s not).
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:04 pm to
I'm having a hard time telling what the heck your picture is. I just installed a shower valve today too.

First thing I'd do is add the picture of the exterior prices to your post so we can see the cosmetic piece, and you need to figure out brand. You can usually find directions online for the major brands.

But that looks like a a screw on ring on the edge of the hole to me, you unscrew that ring and then you can remove the whole inside of the valve. Thats how a lot of them work too. If that's not it, then go back to the brand and style and google it.
Posted by baldona
Florida
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:07 pm to
And what do you mean it snapped off? What broke? You need to show that too because it will give a bette idea of what the inside is made of and how to take the remainder apart.

Often times the shower handle just has a little set screw that you tighten to hold the handle onto the valve. That set screw works it's way out and the handle becomes loose and falls off.
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:13 pm to
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And what do you mean it snapped off?


I believe the screw the held the handle to the valve stem broke off. He could just tap it and screw the screw out. But I would go ahead and replace that antique thing.
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42904 posts
Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:21 pm to
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And what do you mean it snapped off? What broke?




This is from inside the handle, it fits onto that white piece in the pic.

I used this plastic piece to turn the water off. Problem is, I turned it as far as it will go and there is still a slight drip from the shower head. I’m assuming when the handle broke off it also did some damage to the cartridge. Can’t pull the cartridge out because of the brass piece. Can’t pull the brass fitting out because there is (what seems to be) a flange on it.

There are no brand markings on any components. The shower head was changed out a few years back with a generic head/wand.
This post was edited on 7/29/18 at 11:24 pm
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:24 pm to
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Shower is on an exterior wall, no access point.


You are going to have to get access from the front, and it isn’t going to be fun. I don’t recognize the brand, but it you don’t make too big of a hole, there are companies that make cover plates to cover it.

Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42904 posts
Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:33 pm to
Slightly better pic



Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:35 pm to
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Whatever the insert is (cartridge/valve stem) can’t be pulled out because the brass fitting seems to have a lip inside (looks like a washer but it’s not).


It may have a retaining clip. I posted earlier it looked too old to have a retaining clip. Looking at the youtube video in the link below. The old Moen faucets had a retaining clip and looks like it's a bitch to get the cartridge out. If it's a Moen 1225 cartridge good luck

youtube
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42904 posts
Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:35 pm to
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you don’t make too big of a hole, there are companies that make cover plates to cover it.


The chrome trim covers about 5” all around
Posted by Tyga Woods
South Central Jupiter Island, FL
Member since Sep 2016
42904 posts
Posted on 7/29/18 at 11:53 pm to
This is why the brass fitting won’t come out


Was able to push it out of the way though...so what do I do now?

Posted by weadjust
Member since Aug 2012
15816 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:15 am to
Make the hole bigger in the shower surround since you have 5" to spare using the cover plate
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14688 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:23 am to
Well, I’ve never seen that done before. The outside ring was essentially a tiling flange or something.

At this point, you are either going to have to identify the valve, or make the decision to replace it. If you want to fix it, you’ll be able to find info on how to get it apart without damaging the valve body once you ID it. I’ve found google image searches to be helpful. Put in shower valve, and some of the identifying characteristics, and do an image search.

I’m a plumbing sales rep, and I’ll help if I can. Bout to hit the hay. I’ll check back tomorrow.
Posted by theantiquetiger
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:25 am to
I would let that piece of shite just drop behind the shower and get an all new set up.

Looks like that little white ring is holding in the valve.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:51 am to
Call a plumber and call someone with a BA and find out which one can fix it.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
4110 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 1:07 am to
The cartridge (white circular plastic part) should pull out now that you have the retaining nut removed. Grab the square shaft with locking pliers and pull out.

Bring the old cartridge to a plumbing supply house such as Coburns
Posted by DirtyHarry
Member since Sep 2015
215 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 3:26 am to
First, do not turn your water back on with the brass nut removed. That is what keeps the cartridge in place. Second, if you live in Baton Rouge, there is a business called B&B Faucet Repair. They generally have parts for older shower valves. I’d bet it’s Kohler.
Posted by African Japanese
Member since Jul 2018
364 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 5:56 am to
Lmfao I’ve done this twice in my lifetime. Once in Cancun after a shite ton of shots of tequila and once in high school when the rents went out of town. I don’t know why this happens when you get fricked up, hilarious
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24462 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 7:20 am to
Lol, yeah just cut a bigger hole. It shouldn't be that small. The plumber that did the final work should have cut the hole bigger but was lazy. The tile guy or whoever installed that shower wall did a nice job of keeping it small but that did you a disservice for the repair.
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