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re: Should teachers/faculty be allowed to have a concealed weapon?
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:00 pm to slackster
Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:00 pm to slackster
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It's not as if these mass shooters are thinking rationally. They're killing 10-20 of their peers, they're not exactly going to care about consequences.
Seriously, they are killing their friends and usually die after the shooting anyway. They don’t give a shite whether they die or not
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Posted on 2/16/18 at 11:03 pm to TigerintheNO
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It should be a requirement of all school employees to carry at least one lethal weapon at all times.
The reason we’re the laughing stock of the first world.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 2:05 am to mattz1122
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Do you think your 10th grade hippie English teacher would be handy with a Glock G19? What are the chances that, if she had to use it, she’d end up killing some poor kid within 6 ft of the target?
There are lots of teachers that would be willing to train for the task. Would a few teachers being armed have saved the 17 kids probably not, but if there is a chance of saving one student is it not worthwhile? It is possible that a teacher could fire and miss hitting a student, considering the alternative is that student, and others being killed by the shooter that is a acceptable risk. I don't understand people that think if a solution is not 100% effective it should not be done at all. If we could as the coach that died in the school shooting if he would rather have been unarmed or armed with only a 1% chance of taking out the shooter there is no question in my mind what he would have chosen.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 2:07 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 7:56 am to EA6B
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but if there is a chance of saving one student is it not worthwhile?
No. And this is the type of emotional argument that leads to bad decisions.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:01 am to tigerinthebueche
Yes. It doesn’t need to be every teacher but if the teacher wants to and goes through proper training they should be allowed. In the south it would be great.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:07 am to tduecen
I think arming the teachers is a little extreme, but I'd be all for real security, not these guys that can't get hired by the sheriff's office. I think the teachers should have SERE training and situational awareness training. But since the FBI can't do their jobs, we all need to be aware and take care of our own.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:09 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
Plenty of teachers (especially in the South) already know how to handle a firearm. Maybe making it voluntary for teachers to take a training/class to become certified to carry on campus. Add a stipend like you would other certifications for teachers but then not everyone would be required and those uncomfortable would have to worry about it.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:17 am to tduecen
I don’t think it’s a good idea for teachers to carry. Too many things that can wrong. And teachers are teachers for a reason. They are educators, not fighters. I think having a real security detail is much more effective. Armed guards that can use lethal force.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:20 am to DeafJam73
Only reason I dont want teachers carrying is the occasional incidents of teachers and students getting into physical altercations. That situation would be way worse if the student was able to take a gun away from the teacher during a fight. A security detail in the school would be a better alternative IMO.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:32 am to onelochevy
There would probably be isolated incidents where this would be a concern, but hopefully any teacher who was allowed to carry would be trained not to allow this to happen.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:35 am to onelochevy
That’s really expensive though. And you are limited on the amount of security. By allowing teachers to carry, you don’t know who or how many are carrying.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:48 am to tduecen
Off the record, Yes.
On the record it will never happen.
On the record it will never happen.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:56 am to DeafJam73
quote:Well that is dumb
And teachers are teachers for a reason. They are educators, not fighters.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 8:58 am to tduecen
We should model it after the air Marshall-a school Marshall.
Someone has a gun; you just don't know who. And maybe they are there and maybe they aren't.
And I wouldn't give a gun to 98% of the teachers I know.
Someone has a gun; you just don't know who. And maybe they are there and maybe they aren't.
And I wouldn't give a gun to 98% of the teachers I know.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 9:00 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:07 am to DeafJam73
Wow, stereotype much? A couple of guys I know are teachers/coaches and would be plenty capable of defending themselves in a fight especially if it was to protect the kids they teach.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:15 am to Saltwatersoul04
What about each school having a crisis management team. Have certain teachers and staff trained in firearms and how to handle an active shooter. These teachers would need to be throughly vetted and submit themselves to yearly psych Evals and carry CC permit. Have other groups as well such as a group trained in how to treat GSWs. As a former teacher I know we had 3-4 teachers at my school that I would absolutely trust with a firearm. Teachers that are allowed to carry should be hand picked and properly trained. There are former military on almost every campus. You could start with them.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:23 am to redfishfan
Sounds like a fantastic idea to me. Biometric safes could be used so that only those who should have access to the firearms would be able to get to them. Pre made plans for teachers/staff would also be helpful, and they have to actually train on the plans/procedures. A 1 hour PowerPoint on active shooter situations is not enough training. I'm sure some schools go more in depth, but the majority probably have an inadequate training program.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:25 am to Saltwatersoul04
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A 1 hour PowerPoint on active shooter situations is not enough training. I'm sure some schools go more in depth, but the majority probably have an inadequate training program.
Yea hopefully we could get local law enforcement or state police to go around and train these teams.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:32 am to redfishfan
I have no doubt that they are setting up some sort of task force or something with these types of tragedies becoming more common. Let's just hope this task force has better results than some others set up by local and state government.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 9:36 am to Saltwatersoul04
I'm all for it.
In light of recent events, Say a school finds a teacher carrying a pistol. Would they pursue the proper punishment?
I sure as hell hope not
In light of recent events, Say a school finds a teacher carrying a pistol. Would they pursue the proper punishment?
I sure as hell hope not
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