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re: Should teachers/faculty be allowed to have a concealed weapon?

Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25948 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:47 pm to
I was a marksmanship instructor in the Marine Corps and a CCP holder for years, and my principal would never allow me to carry on campus. No idea what other training I could go through to prepare me any more, but I would be willing to do it.

I also teach with others that share my sentiment, and I wouldn’t be ok with some of them doing the same. So yea, it’s a slippery slope for sure.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52845 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:48 pm to
You think “training” teachers would ensure a thwarting of a mass shooting in the super rare occasion where they would be thrust into it? How do you know they wouldn’t be just adding stray bullets into the situation and pissing their pants? Again, how many teachers have you met who were amenable to being trained for using firearms to kill? The discussion as whole is ridiculous outside America.
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
10976 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:49 pm to
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You know you’re wrong. Arguing that arming teachers wouldn’t end these attacks is pointless. So, keep making derogatory comments. You’re doing well with that.


You honestly think milquetoast teachers having a handgun would stop one of these wackos with semi or full auto weapons from going on a rampage? I think at best it would alter their strategy...just spray the teacher first, then take out the students. The teachers are at such a disadvantage, even with the gun. The shooter knows when they're attacking, the teacher has no idea. It's always an ambush.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52845 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:52 pm to
But what if we live in a world where every teacher is a trained sniper prepared to take out a shooter at any moment!?!?

Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:52 pm to
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You think “training” teachers would ensure a thwarting of a mass shooting in the super rare occasion where they would be thrust into it?
I think students knowing that faculty carries a firearm would dissuade someone from trying something, why of course.

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How do you know they wouldn’t be just adding stray bullets into the situation and pissing their pants?
How do you know this wouldn't be the case, that the above wouldn't be the case?

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Again, how many teachers have you met who were amenable to being trained for using firearms to kill? T
Plenty actually... just because you listen to the OT or the teachers that bitch on FB doesn't mean plenty aren't qualified
Posted by Lake Vegas Tiger
Lake Vegas
Member since Jun 2014
3250 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:52 pm to
frick no, it’s idiotic to arm teachers
Posted by RATeamWannabe
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2009
25948 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:52 pm to
I’m in the minority, but I would rather take my chances with a handgun vs a teenager with far less training than I have had, rather than not offer any resistance at all. Just my .02
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:52 pm to
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You honestly think milquetoast teachers h
kinda a fricking idiot here
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117731 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:53 pm to
Former military would be able to conceal carry. Easily.
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
10976 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:56 pm to
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kinda a fricking idiot here


Calm down, Yankee boy. Am I supposed to think most teachers are Rambo?
Posted by Wildcat In Germany
Metro Atlanta
Member since May 2017
3094 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:59 pm to
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Should teachers/faculty be allowed to have a concealed weapon?


No. More school resource officers, basically deputies or city police, should be assigned to schools.

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1. Do you think students/people would think twice knowing others were carrying on campus.


If they knew that they had a semi-automatic rifle on burst and teachers were armed with handguns and not suspecting an attack? No.

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2. Do you think it would reduce the amount of casualties in school shootings.


It could. You have to keep in mind that not all teachers would want to carry a gun and others would be ill prepared to actually take aim at someone and pull the trigger.

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3. Do you think that faculty would end up using the weapon



See above.

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4. Could it be stolen and used by a student


Absolutely, if not secured properly. The same could be said outside of schools as well.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117731 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 8:59 pm to
The idea of a knowing there’s an armed staff member, or undercover deputy, or many of them in the school changes everything. Schools are being attacked for this reason. It’s pretty obvious.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:02 pm to
No but I can promise you that several teachers on a campus can handle a firearm, especially in the south. More people are capable than people want to admit
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:03 pm
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
10976 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:03 pm to
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The idea of a knowing there’s an armed staff member, or undercover deputy, or many of them in the school changes everything. Schools are being attacked for this reason. It’s pretty obvious


Well, a trained deputy I'm all for. frick, I'll pay more in taxes to have these people in every school, if it stops even one massacre. Are you down to pay more in taxes for this, as well?
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52845 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:04 pm to
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The idea of a knowing there’s an armed staff member, or undercover deputy, or many of them in the school changes everything




Most of these shooters have planned their shootings knowing they’d end up dead. You don’t think they’d plan the event at least knowing who the possible thwarters were?
This post was edited on 2/16/18 at 9:06 pm
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117731 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:06 pm to
Why pay more? Why not just reassign some cop who would normally be writing speeding tickets?

They can work the school zone before school and write tickets, then walk the halls.

Or, cops could volunteer a few hours a day to do this duty. They don’t have to be paid.

But yeah, I’d pay another $10/year for a cop in each school. Or, better yet, the parents of kids in schools could pay for it.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117731 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:07 pm to
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Most of these shooters have planned their shootings knowing they’d end up dead




Bless your heart.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:08 pm to
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Most of these shooters have planned their shootings knowing they’d end up dead. You don’t think they’d plan the event at least knowing who the possible thwarters were?

Again you gave me what 5 shooters out of the 212 I mentioned since 2000.... I do not think they are planning death but more the celebrity that comes from it
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52845 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:10 pm to
Kewl that u found a totes good response, but it’s like you don’t know that most of these guys ended up dead via suicide/forced suicide.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52845 posts
Posted on 2/16/18 at 9:11 pm to
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Again you gave me what 5 shooters out of the 212 I mentioned since 2000



This seems like a reliable statistic.
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