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Should health insurance premiums be more directly linked to individual risk factors

Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:43 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25670 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:43 pm
Health insurance is one of the least directly proportional to individual risk.

Do you think there should be a closer link between premiums and personal risk factors?

Things like:

body fat
cholesterol
tobacco use
hypertension
genetic mutations
etc
Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
2103 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:46 pm to
Any condition aggravated by a personal choice or lack of personal care, absolutely. Anything genetic, I am leaning towards no.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:46 pm to
Should be no different than life insurance
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35179 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:49 pm to
So just because I smoke and enjoy desserts means I need to pay more for health insurance ( a basic human right I’m told)?
Posted by TDsngumbo
Alpha Silverfox
Member since Oct 2011
41628 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:49 pm to
So you’re FOR underwriting using pre-existing conditions.
Posted by CaptainJ47
Gonzales
Member since Nov 2007
7353 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:50 pm to
Wait you mean companies who charge X price but then give you discounts for basic screening and good outcomes?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:51 pm to
Obviously
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11115 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:51 pm to
Once you control the business model via federal regulations based on the feelings of others you no longer have insurance.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 6:52 pm
Posted by Wasp
Off Highland rd.
Member since Sep 2012
1483 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:52 pm to
Healthcare.gov

Check out the link. Click on download zip and then open excel. Filter to Louisiana and pick a parish. Excel sheet shows all of the different plans offered on exchange and the associated rates for each group of people.

The point is that currently there are very few different rates for members.

Rates should certainly be more dependent on individual risk. Insurers generally don’t even individualize to the current allowed levels though. Additionally, adjusting something as simple as age bands would do a tremendous amount to lower younger peoples insurance costs.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:54 pm to
If health insurance goes away from the risk pool model, it will be like $100/mo for 18 yos and $5000/mo for 70 yos.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
65779 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:55 pm to

Sure. LA, MS, AR... hell, the entire south. People would be very happy to step on the scale and have their blood drawn. What could go wrong?
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17261 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:59 pm to
Would that include risk factors such as playing sports would increase rates, drive over so many miles a year increases rates, drink alcohol , Have more than one sexual partner, etc?

You open Pandora’s box and you won’t like what you get
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
48575 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:02 pm to
What about if you have 5 kids vs 1? Everywhere I've worked, the group health is employee only, employee and spouse or family. I used to work with a dude that had 10 kids and his insurance was the same as mine with 1 at the time.
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 7:02 pm
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35179 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:04 pm to
Could a regular prostate massage bring rates down as it decreases the likelihood of prostate cancer and depression?
Posted by RonFNSwanson
University of LSU
Member since Mar 2012
23177 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

So just because I smoke and enjoy desserts means I need to pay more for health insurance ( a basic human right I’m told)?




Just because it's your right, doesn't mean it's healthy
Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
2103 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:06 pm to
quote:

So just because I smoke and enjoy desserts means I need to pay more for health insurance ( a basic human right I’m told)?


Why would or should it be any different than say something like Freedom of Speech? You have the right to say what you want but that doesn’t absolve you from any consequences arising from exercising that right.

You indeed have the right to drink smoke and do whatever but why shouldn’t you bear some responsibility for those choices?

If you constantly get speeding tickets and accidents do you expect your car insurance increases to be picked up by others too?
Posted by FlyinTiger93
Member since May 2010
3585 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:11 pm to
Some policies give discounts for fitness tracking.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25670 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

Would that include risk factors such as playing sports would increase rates, drive over so many miles a year increases rates, drink alcohol , Have more than one sexual partner, etc?


I remember when I took out my first large life insurance policy back in my late 20s and they went deep into my hobbies like diving and rock climbing. They ask detailed questions about my rock climbing and mountaineering there were germane but blew me away how detailed they were. They also took a blood sample. While I was surprised at many of the questions that made sense and I recognized they impacted the potential for them to have to pay out for me at a young age.

I don't have a concrete opinion on this I was just writing my check to the firm for my insurance for November and it struck me I pay exactly the same as one of my partners (both 53yo) that is 130 pounds heavier than me, smokes 2 packs a day, is on statins and BP meds, thinks heavy exercise is 12 oz curls and had a triple CABG last year and is planning bilateral peripheral vascular surgery on his legs later this year. In contrast, the insurance company has paid more out this year for just his scripts than insurance companies have paid out for me in all 53 years of my life. This certainly isn't "fair" but I am curious if people think it is "right".
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
43559 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:17 pm to
Yes my company had like 125000 in premiums and insurance only paid like 20k total and our plans still went up.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62799 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:24 pm to
I had an work place health insurance deal where smokers have to pay like $100 extra / month
This post was edited on 10/27/20 at 7:25 pm
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