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re: Should all children receive a trophy in sports even if they lose?
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:08 pm to redNation
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:08 pm to redNation
Its like my dad said, "getting a shitty trophy isn't going to make you run faster or jump higher. The pain you feel from not getting one will make you work to run faster and jump higher"
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
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"getting a shitty trophy isn't going to make you run faster or jump higher. The pain you feel from not getting one will make you work to run faster and jump higher"
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:09 pm to OysterPoBoy
quote:You do realize this wasn't started in the 90s?
This whole everyone get a trophy culture was started by the Big Trophy Lobby in the 90s. We are playing right into their hands.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:12 pm to LSUfan4444
And seriously, no...I do not think all kids should get trophies. HBO Real Sports just did a segment on this and it was pretty well done and I was surprised to hear the stance coming from Liberal HBO
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Dr. Robert Cloninger, professor of psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine has been studying the effects of rewards with rats in mazes. He found that rats that received food just for working their way through the maze were lazy. “They will not be fast runners to get to the trophy, and they will quit easily the moment they are no longer getting rewarded.”
He concludes that children won’t be able to succeed if we pretend that they don’t fail. Cloninger says, “We have to get over the notion that everyone has to be a winner in the United States, it just isn’t true.”
Video teaser of segment
One study also mentioned that recent polls among college students showed that although grades have dropped over the last 40 years, students polled today overwhelmingly think their grades should be higher and I think it mentioned some of them think they deserve a B just for showing up.
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Dr. Robert Cloninger, professor of psychiatry at Washington University in St. Louis School of Medicine has been studying the effects of rewards with rats in mazes. He found that rats that received food just for working their way through the maze were lazy. “They will not be fast runners to get to the trophy, and they will quit easily the moment they are no longer getting rewarded.”
He concludes that children won’t be able to succeed if we pretend that they don’t fail. Cloninger says, “We have to get over the notion that everyone has to be a winner in the United States, it just isn’t true.”
Video teaser of segment
One study also mentioned that recent polls among college students showed that although grades have dropped over the last 40 years, students polled today overwhelmingly think their grades should be higher and I think it mentioned some of them think they deserve a B just for showing up.
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Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:13 pm to JBeam
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 10:01 pm
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:14 pm to trom83
I was a kid of the 90s and would get a trophy for sports probably from ages 4-8. They would just give them out at a pool party at the end of the season or whatever. I don't think it's that bad, because we all knew it was kinda bullshite and didn't compare to getting a real trophy or award like grownups did. I don't think it affected our self esteem or turned us into pussies who thought everyone was the same. I think there are a lot worse things parents do to their kids' sports.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:18 pm to trom83
No.
When I played youth baseball there were two trophies. There was a first place trophy and then a "sportsmanship" trophy that was given to the worst team. That sportsmanship trophy really got your asses laughed at. Even as preteen boys we didn't understand or think it was right to get a reward for being terrible.
In the big game of life, not everyone wins. Not everyone gets the job offer.
When I played youth baseball there were two trophies. There was a first place trophy and then a "sportsmanship" trophy that was given to the worst team. That sportsmanship trophy really got your asses laughed at. Even as preteen boys we didn't understand or think it was right to get a reward for being terrible.
In the big game of life, not everyone wins. Not everyone gets the job offer.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:24 pm to The Mick
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Up to a certain age, yes imo. (like 7-8) ps - to clarify - Im talking about a participation trophy with the actual champs getting a larger trophy.
This.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:25 pm to The Sad Banana
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There was a first place trophy and then a "sportsmanship" trophy that was given to the worst team.
Another reason welding is better than sports, if you get a shitty trophy then it's your fault, you welded it together. Wanna better trophy, be a better welder.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:27 pm to redNation
agree but
not getting trophy for finishing last is not a punishment.
not getting trophy for finishing last is not a punishment.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:29 pm to redNation
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However, when they are 4-6 year old playing T-ball the only ones who really care about wins and losses are parents anyway so who cares. From experience of officiating youth sports most kids that age have no idea who won/loss anyway.
So why not just give out trophies when it does matter to the kids? I say at that age just go out for pizza or something.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:32 pm to LSUfan4444
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it mentioned some of them think they deserve a B just for showing up.
at least a D
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:40 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
Yeah, D or B..close enough. I couldn't remember exactly what it said.
Either way, the point is youth today thinks they deserve more than they work for...I think it's just that simple. Entitlement syndrome that is plaguing this country.
Either way, the point is youth today thinks they deserve more than they work for...I think it's just that simple. Entitlement syndrome that is plaguing this country.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:41 pm to trom83
I don't think every kid should get a trophy, but this below isn't bad logic IMO
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I will agree to this as long as the people in the top 3 places get bigger trophies and they are acknowledged as the winners. Sports don't always have to be about life lessons or winning and losing. Sometimes we do sports just to have fun. The trophies can build confidence for kids and encourages them to try other events because children often don't participate due to the fear of losing.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:51 pm to trom83
No, I don't believe in positive reinforcement.
Posted on 8/13/15 at 1:56 pm to trom83
I coach a under 11 city rec hardball team. City gave me participation certificates to give each player. So I gather them around, parents within earshot. And told them that " they should try to win and strive to be champions in everything they do. School, home and sports."Then handed out certificates. Patents seemed to like my stance.
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