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re: Should a general finance course be required for all high school students?
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:09 am to PSS101
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:09 am to PSS101
Yes
A very significant portion of our population, especially minorities, have little to no clue how our financial systems work. They don’t know how to build credit, how investing works, etc.
It’s a fairly complicated system that’s amazing if you know how to navigate it and it can help regular people build significant wealth, but if you are financially illiterate it will chew you up and spit you out and leave you broke with little hope outside of living paycheck to paycheck with no ability to borrow money (outside of high interest predatory payday loan places) or start a business.
A very significant portion of our population, especially minorities, have little to no clue how our financial systems work. They don’t know how to build credit, how investing works, etc.
It’s a fairly complicated system that’s amazing if you know how to navigate it and it can help regular people build significant wealth, but if you are financially illiterate it will chew you up and spit you out and leave you broke with little hope outside of living paycheck to paycheck with no ability to borrow money (outside of high interest predatory payday loan places) or start a business.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:11 am to BurningHeart
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dont even know why foreign language classes are required. Just so you can know a few words in another language but be far, far away from conversational.
It’s even less necessary with translation apps where if you find a rare occasion you need to speak to someone in another language you can just use the app
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:17 am to PSS101
It's taught. Students get it in several different courses, but shocking as this may sound, many just don't give a shite (and others are so far behind academically they literally have a difficult time comprehending WTF the lesson is about).
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:20 am to deltaland
It is extremely common for minority athletes male to go bankrupt after earning 100 million dollars because of extreme spending. See Adrian Peterson 
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:26 am to PSS101
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It is extremely common for minority athletes male to go bankrupt after earning 100 million dollars because of extreme spending. See Adrian Peterson
Something I always respected about Cal when he was at Kentucky was how he made it a point to have someone come in and talk to the players about finances early on. Had guys like Antoine Walker come in and talk about gambling it all away too. After Dajuan Wagner had the issues with ulcerative colitis his first year in the NBA, he made it a point to tell guys to put back their first million dollars in an investment account and not touch it so they could have that to fall back on. And why he always pushed guys to go to the NBA if they were going to be a lottery pick with guaranteed money.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:29 am to BluegrassBelle
Very good oversight by Cal. We need more of this
Posted on 3/27/26 at 11:50 am to Them
Yeah like a $100k vehicle financed over 84 months
Posted on 3/27/26 at 12:11 pm to Tiger4life306
39 states now require a course in personal finance for graduation. 22 states require a course in economics for graduation, as an FYI.
Having worked for a national organization that facilitated financial literacy through volunteers, I can certainly appreciated the need. The “special sauce”, according to our independent evaluations on efficacy, was the relevance the volunteers added through personal experiences.
Having worked for a national organization that facilitated financial literacy through volunteers, I can certainly appreciated the need. The “special sauce”, according to our independent evaluations on efficacy, was the relevance the volunteers added through personal experiences.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 12:17 pm to PSS101
Can’t fix stupid.
Math including money is taught.
Internet, podcast, YouTube, etc. unbelievably about of information for free!.
People choose not to do things they need to do
Math including money is taught.
Internet, podcast, YouTube, etc. unbelievably about of information for free!.
People choose not to do things they need to do
Posted on 3/27/26 at 12:21 pm to WonPercent
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Yep, and you can include Managing Your Credit in the curriculum.
And here is the actual problem with the financial management class idea: credit management and fiscal responsibility aren't the same thing.
Keeping your credit score up requires loans, and paying lots of unnecessary interest is the single biggest disruptor of building wealth.
Kids shouldnt be taught to worry about credit. They should be taught how to budget and save, and more specifically and usefully how to save money with simple teachings like how to cook, clean, and fix things.
And then teach them how to increase their income: resumes, career building, the art of negotiation, etc.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 1:16 pm to PSS101
I was a shitbag in high school, so we got banished to "financial math" versus one of the high level courses. Turned out to be the most realistic and useful.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 1:31 pm to PSS101
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Teaching them the basics 101 of money management
I’m gonna say this falls under stuff parents should be teaching their kids. Schools can only do so much. People want schools to teach kids basic hygiene, nutrition, health, sex ed, home economics, basic car mechanics, personal finance, and physical fitness. Why do people have children if they want the government or the church to raise them?
Posted on 3/27/26 at 1:37 pm to PSS101
Yes.
Or join Scouting America (formerly Boy Scouts) and earn the Personal Management merit badge (required for Eagle rank). In my son's troop it was (and still is) taught by a retired Halliburton engineer who dabbles in investing and owns rental properties. Scouts often say it was their most useful merit badge. I certainly wish my wife and daughter had it!
Requirements (takes at least three months):
TL;DR - a hands-on course that produces young people who are able to manage their finances, budget their money and time, plan for the unexpected, and retire with a nest egg.
1. Do the following:
(a) Choose an item that your family might want to purchase that is considered a major expense.
(b) Write a plan that tells how your family would save money for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Discuss the plan with your counselor.
(2) Discuss the plan with your family.
(3) Discuss how other family needs must be considered in this plan.
(c) Develop a written shopping strategy for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Determine the quality of the item or service (using consumer publications or rating systems.)
(2) Comparison shop for the item. Find out where you can buy the item for the best price. (Provide prices from at least two different price sources.) Call around; study ads. Look for a sale or discount coupon. Consider alternatives. Can you buy the item used? Should you wait for a sale?
2. Do the following:
(a) Prepare a budget reflecting your expected income (allowance, gifts, wages), expenses, and savings for a period of 13 consecutive weeks.
(b) Compare expected income with expected expenses.
(1) If expenses exceed budget income, determine steps to balance your budget.
(2) If income exceeds budget expenses, state how you would use the excess money (new goal, savings).
(c) Track and record your actual income, expenses, and savings for 13 consecutive weeks (the same 13-week period for which you budgeted). (You may use the forms provided in the Personal Management merit badge pamphlet, devise your own, or use a computer-generated version). When complete, present the records showing the results to your counselor.
(d) Compare your budget with your actual income and expenses to understand when your budget worked and when it did not work. With your counselor, discuss what you might do differently the next time.
3. Discuss with your counselor FIVE of the following concepts:
(a) The emotions you feel when you receive money.
(b) Your understanding of how the amount of money you have with you affects your spending habits.
(c) Your thoughts when you buy something new and your thoughts about the same item three months later. Explain the concept of buyer's remorse.
(d) How hunger affects you when shopping for food items (snacks, groceries).
(e) Your experience of an item you have purchased after seeing or hearing advertisements for it. Did the item work as well as advertised?
(f) Your understanding of what happens when you put money into a savings account.
(g) Charitable giving. Explain its purpose and your thoughts about it.
(h) What you can do to better manage your money.
4. Explain the following to your counselor:
(a) The differences between saving and investing, including reasons for using one over the other.
(b) The concepts of return on investment and risk and how they are related.
(c) The concepts of simple interest and compound interest.
(d) The concept of diversification in investing.
(e) Why it is important to save and invest for retirement.
5. Explain to your counselor what the following investments are and how each works:
(a) Common stocks
(b) Mutual funds
(c) Life insurance
(d) A certificate of deposit (CD)
(e) A savings account
(f) A U.S. savings bond
6. Explain to your counselor why people might purchase the following types of insurance and how they work:
(a) Automobile
(b) Health
(c) Homeowner's/renter's
(d) Whole life and term life
7. Explain to your counselor the following:
(a) What a loan is, what interest is, and how the annual percentage rate (APR) measures the true cost of a loan
(b) The different ways to borrow money
(c) The differences between a charge card, debit card, and credit card, including the costs and pitfalls of using these financial tools, and why it is unwise to make only the minimum payment on your credit card
(d) Credit reports and how personal responsibility can affect your credit report
(e) Ways to reduce or eliminate debt.
8. Demonstrate to your counselor your understanding of time management by doing the following:
(a) Write a "to do" list of tasks or activities, such as homework assignments, chores, and personal projects, that must be done in the coming week. List these in order of importance to you.
(b) Make a seven-day calendar or schedule. Put in your set activities, such as school classes, sports practices or games, jobs or chores, and/or Scout or place of worship or club meetings, then plan when you will do all the tasks from your "to do" list between your set activities.
(c) Follow the one-week schedule you planned. Keep a daily diary or journal during each of the seven days of this week's activities, writing down when you completed each of the tasks on your "to do" list compared to when you scheduled them.
(d) With your counselor, review your "to do" list, one-week schedule, and diary/journal to understand when your schedule worked and when it did not work. Discuss what you might do differently the next time.
9. Prepare a written project plan demonstrating the steps below, including the desired outcome. This is a project on paper, not a real-life project. Examples could include planning a camping trip, developing a community service project or a school or religious event, or creating an annual patrol plan with additional activities not already included in the troop annual plan. Discuss your completed project plan with your counselor.
(a) Define the project. What is your goal?
(b) Develop a timeline for your project that shows the steps you must take from beginning to completion.
(c) Describe your project.
(d) Develop a list of resources. Identify how these resources will help you achieve your goal.
(e) Develop a budget for your project.
10. Do the following:
(a) Choose a career you might want to enter after high school or college graduation. Discuss with your counselor the needed qualifications, education, skills, and experience.
(b) Explain to your counselor what the associated costs might be to pursue this career, such as tuition, school or training supplies, and room and board. Explain how you could prepare for these costs and how you might make up for any shortfall.
Or join Scouting America (formerly Boy Scouts) and earn the Personal Management merit badge (required for Eagle rank). In my son's troop it was (and still is) taught by a retired Halliburton engineer who dabbles in investing and owns rental properties. Scouts often say it was their most useful merit badge. I certainly wish my wife and daughter had it!
Requirements (takes at least three months):
TL;DR - a hands-on course that produces young people who are able to manage their finances, budget their money and time, plan for the unexpected, and retire with a nest egg.
1. Do the following:
(a) Choose an item that your family might want to purchase that is considered a major expense.
(b) Write a plan that tells how your family would save money for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Discuss the plan with your counselor.
(2) Discuss the plan with your family.
(3) Discuss how other family needs must be considered in this plan.
(c) Develop a written shopping strategy for the purchase identified in requirement 1(a).
(1) Determine the quality of the item or service (using consumer publications or rating systems.)
(2) Comparison shop for the item. Find out where you can buy the item for the best price. (Provide prices from at least two different price sources.) Call around; study ads. Look for a sale or discount coupon. Consider alternatives. Can you buy the item used? Should you wait for a sale?
2. Do the following:
(a) Prepare a budget reflecting your expected income (allowance, gifts, wages), expenses, and savings for a period of 13 consecutive weeks.
(b) Compare expected income with expected expenses.
(1) If expenses exceed budget income, determine steps to balance your budget.
(2) If income exceeds budget expenses, state how you would use the excess money (new goal, savings).
(c) Track and record your actual income, expenses, and savings for 13 consecutive weeks (the same 13-week period for which you budgeted). (You may use the forms provided in the Personal Management merit badge pamphlet, devise your own, or use a computer-generated version). When complete, present the records showing the results to your counselor.
(d) Compare your budget with your actual income and expenses to understand when your budget worked and when it did not work. With your counselor, discuss what you might do differently the next time.
3. Discuss with your counselor FIVE of the following concepts:
(a) The emotions you feel when you receive money.
(b) Your understanding of how the amount of money you have with you affects your spending habits.
(c) Your thoughts when you buy something new and your thoughts about the same item three months later. Explain the concept of buyer's remorse.
(d) How hunger affects you when shopping for food items (snacks, groceries).
(e) Your experience of an item you have purchased after seeing or hearing advertisements for it. Did the item work as well as advertised?
(f) Your understanding of what happens when you put money into a savings account.
(g) Charitable giving. Explain its purpose and your thoughts about it.
(h) What you can do to better manage your money.
4. Explain the following to your counselor:
(a) The differences between saving and investing, including reasons for using one over the other.
(b) The concepts of return on investment and risk and how they are related.
(c) The concepts of simple interest and compound interest.
(d) The concept of diversification in investing.
(e) Why it is important to save and invest for retirement.
5. Explain to your counselor what the following investments are and how each works:
(a) Common stocks
(b) Mutual funds
(c) Life insurance
(d) A certificate of deposit (CD)
(e) A savings account
(f) A U.S. savings bond
6. Explain to your counselor why people might purchase the following types of insurance and how they work:
(a) Automobile
(b) Health
(c) Homeowner's/renter's
(d) Whole life and term life
7. Explain to your counselor the following:
(a) What a loan is, what interest is, and how the annual percentage rate (APR) measures the true cost of a loan
(b) The different ways to borrow money
(c) The differences between a charge card, debit card, and credit card, including the costs and pitfalls of using these financial tools, and why it is unwise to make only the minimum payment on your credit card
(d) Credit reports and how personal responsibility can affect your credit report
(e) Ways to reduce or eliminate debt.
8. Demonstrate to your counselor your understanding of time management by doing the following:
(a) Write a "to do" list of tasks or activities, such as homework assignments, chores, and personal projects, that must be done in the coming week. List these in order of importance to you.
(b) Make a seven-day calendar or schedule. Put in your set activities, such as school classes, sports practices or games, jobs or chores, and/or Scout or place of worship or club meetings, then plan when you will do all the tasks from your "to do" list between your set activities.
(c) Follow the one-week schedule you planned. Keep a daily diary or journal during each of the seven days of this week's activities, writing down when you completed each of the tasks on your "to do" list compared to when you scheduled them.
(d) With your counselor, review your "to do" list, one-week schedule, and diary/journal to understand when your schedule worked and when it did not work. Discuss what you might do differently the next time.
9. Prepare a written project plan demonstrating the steps below, including the desired outcome. This is a project on paper, not a real-life project. Examples could include planning a camping trip, developing a community service project or a school or religious event, or creating an annual patrol plan with additional activities not already included in the troop annual plan. Discuss your completed project plan with your counselor.
(a) Define the project. What is your goal?
(b) Develop a timeline for your project that shows the steps you must take from beginning to completion.
(c) Describe your project.
(d) Develop a list of resources. Identify how these resources will help you achieve your goal.
(e) Develop a budget for your project.
10. Do the following:
(a) Choose a career you might want to enter after high school or college graduation. Discuss with your counselor the needed qualifications, education, skills, and experience.
(b) Explain to your counselor what the associated costs might be to pursue this career, such as tuition, school or training supplies, and room and board. Explain how you could prepare for these costs and how you might make up for any shortfall.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 4:18 pm to PSS101
It’s a graduation requirement in NC
Posted on 3/27/26 at 4:22 pm to PSS101
This would defeat the purpose of programming mindless drones who rack up debt
Posted on 3/27/26 at 4:25 pm to PSS101
Louisiana schools are required to teach free enterprise, which is invariably taught by a coach.
Posted on 3/27/26 at 7:20 pm to PSS101
While not a bad idea, seems to me this is something that parents should instill in their children.
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