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re: Shooting at California festival
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:43 am to crap4brain
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:43 am to crap4brain
so he wasn't white. poor twitter won't know what to do with themselves.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:44 am to NOFOX
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So you construct this fiction to fit your narrative. Convenient
Oh the irony.
All gun owners are slack jawed redneck hillbillies that are just going to open fire all over the place in a situation like that.
Fictional narrative indeed.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:46 am to Centinel
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I agree 100%. Which is why I prefer to default to allowing those who wish to exercise their rights to do so and therefore remove gun free zones.
I'll caveat and say this is for public areas. I'm perfectly ok with a private venue or business mandating no guns allowed on their property. I may disagree with it, but that is well within their rights as property owners.
First, for a little context, I am pro 2A, I was a competitive shooter and went to undergrad on a scholarship to shoot 3 position small bore.
I don't think mass shootings are preventable, you may shift the target but they will find a soft target. Just like if you banned all guns (and actually made and kept the entire US gun-free) there are other options for mass killings. I don't think banning no gun zones will reduce deaths, only possibly shift them to other targets.
In the end, I don't care if people carry, I have had a carry permit for over 30 years. That said I outside of transporting them to the range I never leave my property with a gun, simply because I am not afraid. That isn't a macho statement it is just statistically it is well below my risk/benefit analysis. I do so many more things that are statitically likely to cause my death than getting shot it just isn't on my radar.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:49 am to Darth_Vader
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And, as I said earlier, only two things stop a mass shooter...
Keep in mind I am talking about mass killers, if you make it inconvenient to be a mass shooter (much harder than some portray here) there are plenty of other means to kill people.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:49 am to Centinel
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Oh the irony. All gun owners are slack jawed redneck hillbillies that are just going to open fire all over the place in a situation like that. Fictional narrative indeed.
And now creating fictional posts to boot. Fitting. I am a gun owner. I have never said all gun owners are hill billies or irresponsible. I did say that irresponsible gun owners exist and that I have witnessed them firsthand. I also said that I know tacticool guys who would respond and not retreat.
You can pretend that every gun owner is responsible and would react calmly in a mass shooting scenario, but that simply is not true.
Again, there is a reason that these type of events are gun free and why you can’t carry a loaded weapon into a gun show: insurance actuaries have determined that the risk of negligent gun owners is greater than the risk of mass shooters.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:51 am to Obtuse1
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n the end, I don't care if people carry, I have had a carry permit for over 30 years. That said I outside of transporting them to the range I never leave my property with a gun, simply because I am not afraid. That isn't a macho statement it is just statistically it is well below my risk/benefit analysis. I do so many more things that are statitically likely to cause my death than getting shot it just isn't on my radar.
I’d rather have my gun on me and not need it than need it and not have it.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:52 am to Obtuse1
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I was a competitive shooter and went to undergrad on a scholarship to shoot 3 position small bore.
Smallbore and pellet myself. All of HS and club in college (no actual school team).
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I don't think banning no gun zones will reduce deaths, only possibly shift them to other targets.
Again I'll agree. I default to the idea that you don't enact legislation when the legislation does nothing and in fact intrudes on the constitutional rights of an individual.
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That said I outside of transporting them to the range I never leave my property with a gun, simply because I am not afraid. That isn't a macho statement it is just statistically it is well below my risk/benefit analysis.
And I can respect that. However not everyone has that luxury, so I prefer that people that live in a higher risk environment have the ability to defend themselves if necessary.
Personally I've had a CC permit since I left active duty, and I also rarely carry because like you I thankfully can live in a location where it's generally not necessary. However, there are certain places here in the city that I certainly carry because of the increased risk. I also make sure I carry when traveling when reasonable. I'm more concerned about what I'm not prepared for than what I am.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:52 am to Obtuse1
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Keep in mind I am talking about mass killers, if you make it inconvenient to be a mass shooter (much harder than some portray here) there are plenty of other means to kill people.
Well right now the issue being discussed is mass shooters. Perhaps we can discuss preventing mass bombings or truck attacks when those start happening on a regular basis.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:54 am to Darth_Vader
Flamethrowers are the answer. Unregulated in 48 states and harder for the Average Joe to miss the active shooter target with a stream of fire.
mashable: flamethrowers 2018
mashable: flamethrowers 2018
Posted on 7/29/19 at 10:55 am to NOFOX
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You can pretend that every gun owner is responsible and would react calmly in a mass shooting scenario, but that simply is not true.
I've already said as much. However the difference is you think the non-responsible ones will go in guns blazing, when in fact they'll be the first ones to piss their pants.
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Again, there is a reason that these type of events are gun free and why you can’t carry a loaded weapon into a gun show
And I've already stated that a private business or property not allowing firearms is perfectly acceptable.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:04 am to Centinel
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And I've already stated that a private business or property not allowing firearms is perfectly acceptable.
You are missing or ignoring the point here. The businesses aren’t necessarily choosing to not allow firearms. The reason a gun show doesn’t allow people to carry live is because the insurance provider has determined that negligent discharge is too great of a risk.
Actuaries believe that allowing guns in these events is a greater risk than forbidding them. You disagree because you have created this idea that only good gun owners will respond and negligence won’t occur outside of the mass shooting situation. Insurance actuaries disagree.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:06 am to Darth_Vader
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Well right now the issue being discussed is mass shooters. Perhaps we can discuss preventing mass bombings or truck attacks when those start happening on a regular basis.
Understand the reason I mention it outside of it being directly germane to mass casualty events, is that is a common narrative about why gun control doesn't work. It is not in my nature to leave an obvious argument untended.
My big-picture view divorcing myself of any agenda is I like gun-free zones in some situations, one of which is when alcohol is being served. I've walked around Carbrini-Green after dark on a bet but I wouldn't go into a football game that served alcohol and allowed concealed carry. Without at least no service and a no alcohol policy there will be people getting shot at least when concealed carry reaches some critical mass.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:13 am to NOFOX
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You are missing or ignoring the point here. The businesses aren’t necessarily choosing to not allow firearms. The reason a gun show doesn’t allow people to carry live is because the insurance provider has determined that negligent discharge is too great of a risk.
And you're aren't making any kind of point. Insurance companies do what they can get away with to reduce the chance they have to pay out? Shocker!
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:17 am to Centinel
Glad the police shot and killed the white supremacist.
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“Read Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard,” the account wrote next to a photo of a Smokey the Bear sign warning, “Fire danger high tonight.”
He was referring to a much-hated 1890 book embraced by white supremacists that was banned for years after being condemned as sexist, racist and anti-Semitic.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:17 am to Centinel
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And you're aren't making any kind of point. Insurance companies do what they can get away with to reduce the chance they have to pay out? Shocker!
Ignore the risk of negligent owners all you want, pretend like there is no situation where people shouldn’t be allowed to carry, but those risks are real and there is a reason that so many private events don’t allow firearms.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:28 am to TT9
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Glad the police shot and killed the white supremacist.
His Italian side hated his Iranian side.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:55 am to donRANDOMnumbers
He looks like a white Arab to me
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:56 am to Gray12
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Weapons were prohibited at the festival. What could possibly go wrong?
yeah because we have so many shootings at LSU sporting events.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 11:56 am to MLCLyons
I always have my gun on me when tailgating.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:06 pm to Cosmo
Just found out the 6 year old that got killed was the child of a member of the local I'm working in. Couple guys on the job know him, apparently. Can not imagine the horror he's going through.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 12:07 pm
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