re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match

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Read a lot on Lee. He had to flee Hong Kong because he was street fighting and kicking dudes asses so much. He eventually whipped the wrong guys who was the son of a Triad boss. Lee is by no means a TV martial artist. He also took on a master in San Francisco that was talking smack about him and whipped his arse too.

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The whole argument is that none of that can be proven so it's hearsay, rumors, and propaganda. Which is a good point. I'm a big fan of Bruce Lee and his teachings, but it is true that none of his fights are documented and I can see why people will discredit his fighting ability.

Check out Alain Ngalani. Although bigger than Lee, he does break some legs. However, in UFC the point is not to "break" their knee.

In real actual self defense that kick is aimed lower and it doesn't take much to tear any of the ligaments. So yes its absolutely possible.

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When the two met, it lasted less than 30 seconds. Lumbering dude won.

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Royce Gracie didn't due too shabby with those lumbering gigantors and he was the smallest of the brothers. Rickson in his prime would own both Bruce and Tyson, maybe at the same time.

Interesting. I'll check it out.

The street fighting in Hong Kong is well documented. The fight with the master in California has 2-3 versions from several eye witnesses all with a decisive victory by lee. Just the length of the bout 3 minutes versus 25 minutes was the dispute. He was a definite bad arse and could whip anyone close to his size easily but don't think he handles Tyson.

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Bruce Lee was like 115lbs. You people are on that dope.

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this

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Ali and Foreman her near in size. If Ali had weight 140, Foreman would've kicked his arse up one side and down the other.

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In a boxing match, no question.

My broader point was that Tyson was much more compact than either of those 2 fighters of similar weight. Foreman was the "Tyson" of his day - not a true swarmer, like Dempsey, Marciano, Frazier or Tyson, Big George was an old school slugger of limited boxing ability - virtually no defensive skills of note (at least in the 1970s - by the time of his comeback, he was much improved, training with the old mongoose, Archie Moore), and still defeated the much more skilled, much more determined, but much shorter Frazier. Ali negated Foreman's height, weighed almost the same, and refused to trade punches with him.

In this case, the chess match as to how each fighter would approach the contest, particularly with a "no holds barred" structure, would just be fascinating - and again, with or without D'Amato in Tyson's corner.

Would it make a difference? Very intriguing.

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They also primarily use straight side kicks for their leg kicks do they not?

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Almost never.

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Why are they kicking legs at all then if it doesn't work to end a fight?

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Wear down the lead leg. Slow the fighter. Set up a high kick.

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What if Lee uses a push kick to over extend the knee and tear the ligaments?

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Possible, but the stars would have to align. Tyson would have to have his leg in a straight and locked position.

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If you don't believe that Lee could land a kick on a knee and break it, okay, just make that your argument. Don't bring up this mma stuff when you yourself are saying they aren't trying to do that.

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I'm saying that of all the leg kicks in MMA, and all the shins connecting with knees, I've never seen someone bust a knee with a kick. I take issue with you making it sound so easy.

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I'm guessing this hypothetical wrestler is going to ground and pound once on top.

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We're talking about a street fight. Isn't that was wrestlers do? Get top position. Maintain top position. GnP.

You must be drunk if you are debating this.

Tyson was destroy Lee. Lee was a teacher and a movie star. He was never involved in competitive tournaments. Kung Fu doesn't work as a real world fighting style. Have you ever seen an MMA fighter specialize in Kung Fu? No, but if you did, he'd be destroyed by the boxers, wrestlers, and submission specialists.

Mike Tyson actually competed against real men and dominated. Hell, he unified the heavyweight titles. In his prime, he'd beat just about anyone (including Bruce Lee).

That being said, I'd put almost any elite MMA fighter up against either of them. Neither boxing or "Kung Fu" are real world applicable.