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re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:10 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:10 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:I was talking about Lee becoming world champ in his weight class.
Did you read the thread title? Lee died about a month after Tyson's 7th birthday.
quote:I'm having a lot of non-serious fun. No increased heart rate over here. I love the hypothetical fight scenarios.
I think this thread was supposed to be about fun - some of ya'll take it a little too seriously - that's all I'm saying.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:13 pm
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:11 pm to DanTiger
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I cannot believe how passionate you are on this issue. I will grant you that Lee was likely in a little better shape thn the guy that teaches your kid at the local dojo. He did not do any HIIT training to elevate his heart rate and be able to function at his anerobic max round after round with only 30 seconds to a minute to recover so I think he would have a VERY hard time going against any trained fighter in any weight class.
While I agree that Tyson would destroy Lee, I have to question the aspect about HIIT.
Hell, my track days are long behind me but we didn't know what HIIT was, but we did training that fell into the category of HIIT.
And many boxers and other fighters did as well. You look at the very concept of the round. They would train hard for a set amount of time and then take a break. It is the same concept of building anerobic ability.
Just because it wasn't called HIIT doesn't mean the idea wasn't around. Basically the benefits of HIIT were not known outside of the competitive areas and certainly the benefits were not known to the more commonly called weekend warriors.
And as you get older, the whole HIIT becomes something where one has to be much more careful because the risk of injury goes up when doing HIIT.
Anyways, far too much time here talking about HIIT. I think yes, modern training techniques and supplements would help the modern day fighter in a fight over Lee, but Lee was a bit ahead of the curve when it came to training and many older top notch training techniques were good. Maybe not as refined as understood now, but many still did some form of HIIT.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:12 pm to boom roasted
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Today's top MMA guys would destroy both Tyson and Bruce Lee. Reason? They didn't know wrestling.
Agree somewhat. I train with alot of wrestlers. Their main advantage besides being tough as nails with crazy cardio is being really good at takedowns and defense which leads to my point. Once on the ground, you better know what you are doing and Bruce actually did some ground work back in the day. As I posted about 20 pages ago, which blows my mind this is even still on the first page, my instructor in BJJ is a hardcore JKD guy as well. Trained with one of Bruce's guys and they did alot of ground fighting. Granted it probably wasn't as good as probably most Blue Belts in BJJ but Bruce did some ground stuff which could negate your comments a little.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:15 pm to MWP
quote:I know Bruce dabbled in BJJ/judo. I think he pulled off an armbar in Enter the Dragon. But still, his submission grappling back then doesn't compare to what the guys know now. A pure wrestler with Division I championship credentials would have a field day with Lee. Mix in a few years of submission grappling with that wrestler and you got one dangerous MFer on the ground.
Bruce did some ground stuff which could negate your comments a little.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:16 pm to danman6336
Tyson
he's still alive
he's still alive
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:17 pm to lsupride87
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My main issue is the Tyson supporters have actually seen and witnessed Tyson take out professional fighters many times. The Lee supporters rely on hearsay, training videos, and unicorn farts
I don't get why this matters so damn much. Is there any chance on the planet that you are wrong and Lee actually was a great fighter? Is there a chance that the stories are true?
(I'll give you a hint, you can't actually say "No," that's fairly impossible since you have 0 evidence. There's also little evidence that Bruce could win a competition, so that's fair as well.)
So let's move on from this stupid discussion...
Ok, everyone answer some questions:
1) Can a world-class 145 lb. MMA Fighter beat Tyson in a no holds barred match?
2) Can a world champion heavyweight boxer 220 lb., beat Bruce Lee in a match in his time?
3) Can a peak-conditioned 145 lb. fighter trained in multiple styles including wing chun, boxing, and wrestling beat a 220 lb. World Champion Heavyweight boxer?
4) If EVERYTHING about Bruce Lee is true, can he beat Mike Tyson? Can even the myth of Bruce Lee live up to factual Tyson at all?
5) If EVERYTHING about Bruce is false, he was just a good athlete and marketer who could showcase some skills superficially, can he beat Mike Tyson in a no holds barred match? Free answer: No
And go!
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:18 pm to boom roasted
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They don't train to kick knees. You know why? Because it hurts like hell. See Anderson Silva's last fight. Weidman trained to block Silva's kick with his knees. Result: Anderson broke his fricking leg on Weidman's knee.
So why are you trying to prove that Lee couldn't break somebody's knee because MMA fighters don't do it/train to do it? I thought we were talking about a one time, no holds barred fight of the century dammit! You don't hold this shite back
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:18 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
quote:
Yeah
You should go away now
So sorry the question was too hard for you.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:19 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:Huh? You sounded extremely confident that Lee could just break knees/legs with kicks. There is very little evidence of that. In all the years that I've been watching MMA, I can't recall that ever happening. If it was as easy as you're making it, it should have occurred at least once.
So why are you trying to prove that Lee couldn't break somebody's knee because MMA fighters don't do it/train to do it?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:19 pm to Freauxzen
quote:No, no, and no
1) Can a world-class 145 lb. MMA Fighter beat Tyson in a no holds barred match?
2) Can a peak-conditioned fighter trained in multiple styles including wing chun, boxing, and wrestling beat a 220 lb. World Champion Heavyweight boxer?
3) If EVERYTHING about Bruce Lee is true, can he beat Mike Tyson? Can even the myth of Bruce Lee live up to factual Tyson at all?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:19 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
4) If EVERYTHING about Bruce is false, he was just a good athlete and marketer who could showcase some skills superficially, can he beat Mike Tyson in a no holds barred match? Free answer: No
5) Bruce Lee is NOT even an athlete (DanTiger)
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:21 pm to AngryBeavers
quote:
Not in a street fight. Your fighting systems go out the window and you are just trying to survive. Good luck trying to do all your fancy moves.
Don't know what fighting systems you are refereing to but Krav is a figting style soley based on street fight applications. The Army uses BJJ in it's close quarters combat system.
Try again.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:21 pm to danman6336
Read a lot on Lee. He had to flee Hong Kong because he was street fighting and kicking dudes asses so much. He eventually whipped the wrong guys who was the son of a Triad boss. Lee is by no means a TV martial artist. He also took on a master in San Francisco that was talking smack about him and whipped his arse too.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:22 pm to boom roasted
quote:
Huh? You sounded extremely confident that Lee could just break knees/legs with kicks. There is very little evidence of that. In all the years that I've been watching MMA, I can't recall that ever happening. If it was as easy as you're making it, it should have occurred at least once.
Again, you just said that MMA fighters don't train or really try to take out knees/legs, so stop using that as your example.
I am pretty damn confident that if Lee got a good solid kick into either the side or front of a knee, he would break it. If you disagree, that is fine but your argument to disagree on it doesn't really work.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:22 pm to molsusports
32 pages. There's no right answer here folks!
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:24 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:They don't train to kick knees, but shin often strikes knee when the recipient blocks the leg kick. If it were easy to break a knee and end a fight, don't you think professional fighters would use that tactic? There's a reason they don't do it. Because it hurts like shite and doesn't end the fight.
Again, you just said that MMA fighters don't train or really try to take out knees/legs, so stop using that as your example.
I am pretty damn confident that if Lee got a good solid kick into either the side or front of a knee, he would break it. If you disagree, that is fine but your argument to disagree on it doesn't really work.
Don't be so dense, man. There is no proof that a leg kick to the knee is going to break that knee. Even if it's from the legendary Bruce Lee.
You're extremely confident in a technique with absolutely zero proof. Just blind faith that Bruce Lee can break knees when he wants with a simple kick.
This post was edited on 2/14/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:25 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Ali and Foreman her near in size. If Ali had weight 140, Foreman would've kicked his arse up one side and down the other.
Ali beat Foreman, though...no question.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:25 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
quote:
First question is do we think if Lee gets a good kick on a knee, can he break it? I think everyone would agree he could.
If Lee got off the perfect kick and Tyson had his leg in absolutely the worst position, I might say that it is possible. But the likelihood of that happening is almost nil.
Just standing in a boxing stance takes tysons leg out of the position that Lee would need it to be in to break it.
Let me tell you a little secret. I have see the kicker more often break their legs than the receiver of kicks. See anderson silva...
quote:
Second question is do we think he could land that kick on Tyson?
He could land a kick on tyson. But not that kick.
quote:
I would say that the chances are extremely good for him to be able to land that kick on somebody who has no real idea how to defend his lower half from any type of attack like that.
The chances are almost nil.
Honestly the chances are better than Lee would break his leg just because of the size and strength difference in the bones in tysons leg versus lees leg.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:26 pm to alajones
Lee would win. Speed and pace always wins. The brute force guys are too slow and too reliant on their ability to overpower, which makes them vulnerable to someone using finesse and intelligence.
I guess Tyson could go to the judges and ask them to limit Lee's allowed speed. That'd probably be the fairest thing to do in Tyson's case.
I guess Tyson could go to the judges and ask them to limit Lee's allowed speed. That'd probably be the fairest thing to do in Tyson's case.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 2:27 pm to boom roasted
Like I said, a good Blue Belt in BJJ probably owns Bruce Lee on the ground. But, we were talking wrestlers and not BJJ guys. Sure, a good wrestler could probably takedown Bruce at will but now we are talking about the same issue Mike Tyson would have against the man. Combating the speed of a guy that could end your day if he connected with a kick while you are attempting a takedown or in Mike's case, throwing that trademark left hook.
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