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re: Settle a drunken argument: Tyson vs Bruce Lee no holds barred KO match
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:09 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:09 am to Ace Midnight
Cant this pretty much be answered by watching IP MAN 2?
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Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:11 am to AngryBeavers
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But I guess posters in this thread will just say Norris didn't know much about fighting either.
Nobody is denying Bruce wasn't a great martial artist. He's not beating the heavy weight champ in his prime though.
In a boxing match? No.
Can Tyson land one truly disabling attack (not necessarily a punch) on Lee before Lee does the same?
Can Lee land one truly disabling (not necessarily a punch) on Tyson before Tyson does the same?
The correct answers are Yes and Yes. Anything otherwise is short-sighted.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:11 am to theunknownknight
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An ACTOR doesn't win the Hong Kong international boxing tournament at 18 years old.
ok, now you've crossed the line that seperated these 2, Tyson would DESTROY any boxer on Earth giving up 80 lbs to him....
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:12 am to Schmelly
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I've been studying Lee's stuff for 10 years
Yet you can't form a decent argument in favor of Lee here.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:14 am to Freauxzen
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The correct answers are Yes and Yes. Anything otherwise is short-sighted.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:17 am to AngryBeavers
quote:i love how you keep saying this. like it means something. being a professional means you get paid to do it. That is your profession.
He just wasn't a professional fighter.
Are their people out there that can teach better than "professional" teachers. No doubt. Are their people out there that would be better burger flippers than the professionals at McDonalds. Of course.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:19 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
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Yet you can't form a decent argument in favor of Lee here.
It's because there isn't one. No non-wrestler would stand a chance unless he was Tyson's physical equal or had superior stand up training. So since Bruce Lee wasn't nearly as strong and Tyson was the best boxer until Holyfield shut him down, I'd side with Tyson. I've beat up enough karate funny boys with fancy colored belts to know what works and what doesn't. And that said, I wouldn't frick with Tyson even now, just seeing what he could do back then.
This should spawn a side convo about who'd YOU rather have to fight?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:21 am to CarRamrod
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i love how you keep saying this. like it means something. being a professional means you get paid to do it. That is your profession.
Tyson is larger, stronger and a complete psychopath who doesn't care if he gets hit. He gets hit on a regular basis. Yeah it matters don't kid yourself.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:22 am to BigSquirrel
Dude was a master of Wing Chun. Question should be would Tyson be able to land a punch to begin with.
Thats not Karate by any means.
Thats not Karate by any means.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:22 am to BigSquirrel
quote:I would rather have to fight Bruce Lee. Both would kick my arse with the quickness, but I think Lee would have more compassion. Tyson might try to eat my fingers.
This should spawn a side convo about who'd YOU rather have to fight?
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:22 am to Ace Midnight
Something that sticks out to me is that boxing really isn't that great of a fighting technique from what I understand. The skills that are learned are extremely specialized and not well rounded at all. I don't think that trying to box someone in a real world fight would be all that effective.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:27 am to Peazey
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Something that sticks out to me is that boxing really isn't that great of a fighting technique from what I understand.
It's not that it isn't a great technique, boxing is just limited. Like:
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The skills that are learned are extremely specialized and not well rounded at all.
MMA fighters of equal weight classes would destroy any equivalent, strict boxer in anything outside of a strict boxing match. And may even win that.
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I don't think that trying to box someone in a real world fight would be all that effective.
Boxing itself is built on the "honor" of literal hand to hand combat. So it works....along as both fighters follow the limited mentality of boxing. (And that's the limitations of many arguing Tyson in this case, their pros and cons come from the strengths necessitated in boxing).
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:27 am to Peazey
It's definitely not the most effective martial art. I'd say wrestling, muay thai, BJJ, boxing.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:30 am to GoCrazyAuburn
Boxers don’t train in chops to the throat, fingers to the eyes and elbows to the temple. When the fight evolves into holds or winds up on the ground there are many more variables. If the karate guy has experience in holds and pressure points, the boxer will be in trouble.
If Tyson gets a clean shot at Lee.. Lights out. But I don't think that happens
If Tyson gets a clean shot at Lee.. Lights out. But I don't think that happens
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:33 am to boom roasted
Does everyone understand that even thought a punch might not "land" on Lee's jaw, the effect on blocking those punches or them "missing" and hitting Lee in the body would be damaging.
Again, are they in a ring or an elevator? Limited are means Lee dies on the spot.
Again, are they in a ring or an elevator? Limited are means Lee dies on the spot.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:33 am to boom roasted
Anyone that would rather fight Iron Mike Tyson in his prime than the 130 lb Bruce Lee deserves to get their ears bitten off.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:36 am to Peazey
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Something that sticks out to me is that boxing really isn't that great of a fighting technique from what I understand. The skills that are learned are extremely specialized and not well rounded at all. I don't think that trying to box someone in a real world fight would be all that effective.
They are extremely effective against an untrained and/or unprepared opponent.
That's not the case, here. In their respective primes, both men would be extremely well-prepared and well-trained. Team Tyson would have to have Cus alive, though, to supervise it - certainly a post-Cus Tyson would likely be lazy and overconfident.
Lee, on the other hand, was highly disciplined, regardless.
Likewise, both fighters had real world fights with no rules and no officials.
Perhaps Tyson's size and mass would be too big of an advantage. Perhaps Lee's skill set would allow him to land critical or disabling blows, consistently, before an even fight can develop.
It would likely be different every time.
However, this thread is polarized, somewhat, into the images of the film version of Lee demolishing an immobile, hulking Mike Tyson at 38, versus the image of a 21-year old Iron Mike roughing up some guy from the dry cleaners.
Both were incredible fighting specimens in their respective primes. This discussion should have focused on that, IMHO, rather than these 2, relatively detached from reality, extreme positions.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:42 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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So here is the real argument, do people think Tyson would be able to avoid a wind pipe collapsing punch from Lee long enough to get enough hits in to KO him? I don't. Especially if Lee immobilizes Tyson early.
Question for you. Seriously. Do you watch boxing? Do you see good boxers with their chins up flapping in the wind? They keep their chins down. Lee wouldn't be able to hit his trachea.
They keep their chins down because they don't want their bell rung, but Lee simply wouldn't be able to land that blow.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:46 am to theunknownknight
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Basically almost every anti-Lee post is firmly based in ignorance of the guy to the point he was just an ACTOR.
No. Most are not. Some are. Most are trying to reasonably say that tyson just has too much of an advantage.
So Bruce Lee beat every in hong kong in an under 18 tournament.
Mike Tyson beat everyone of any age in the world at his prime. Not only was he an amazing athlete in his prime, he was also superbly trained.
He would simply be too much for Lee. The weight differential would have been simply too much.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 11:46 am to thetempleowl
This dude is said beat a 240 pound Russian boxer who outweighed him by close to 100 lbs in 3 punches in beimo fight.
He would have been Lee' Sr and trained Lee.
He would have been Lee' Sr and trained Lee.
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