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re: Serious question about execution by lethal injection

Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:57 pm to
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:57 pm to

No idea why you guys mentioning IV or veins are getting down voted. It's the single biggest issue the program has faced.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
14735 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:58 pm to
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Giving them that power is too much and a slippery slope towards killing your political enemies.



They (the government) have had and have exercised the power to kill for a long time.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16344 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 7:58 pm to
I work at a hospital and have done IVs for many years. Even on drug addicts. I would volunteer to do this free of charge in my off time. I'll even push the drugs if they want.
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
76560 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:00 pm to
Sounds like she knows how to pick'em. I'm right in her swing path.
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
21359 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:05 pm to
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I'm no expert, but I think the big thing is doctors won't have anything to do with it because of their oath


What about those doctors that kill unborn children at 8-9 months? Or the ones cutting the healthy breasts and penises off of teenagers? Surely they have no morality to worry about.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

My cousin was married to a guy who went in to inspect a pressure vessel that hadn't been purged of argon. He was gone in about 15 seconds.

Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
4204 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:15 pm to
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I kinda take issue with it being painless.


Some of these dudes are innocent.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
17710 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:30 pm to
Chief Gillespie had it right on In The Heat of the Night…the only non-cruel and unusual punishment for the death penalty is to tell the murderer he’s free to go, watch a smile come upon his face and then shoot him in the back of the head as soon as he walks out of prison.
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

Clogged lines.


What??? This is dumb. String up another iv tubing but this never happens ever.

quote:

Air in the line that could cause a terrible and non humane death.


Few air bubbles are harmless. Prime the line and you are good to go.

quote:

Not administering the drugs properly although I believe it’s automated now.


Nothing is automated. Exactly how do you “not” administer it correctly. You hook it up to the iv and push it. It’s not rocket science.


With lethal injection they go to sleep just like everybody does for surgery. Exactly the same. It is a very very nice way to die and I am sure the victims of the killers were also killed in a nice humane way.



Posted by TheFonz
Somewhere in Louisiana
Member since Jul 2016
22800 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:22 pm to
We should go back to firing squads.
Posted by Stoic Poser
South LA
Member since Apr 2023
513 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:30 pm to
Public executions wouldn’t make society worse IMO
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16366 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:36 pm to
Just touching trace amounts Fentanyl can kill a person. I wonder what 1 ml injected intramuscularly (or sub q) would do? But that begs the question... where would we get it? It's super rare. The DEA only seized enough to kill every man, woman and child in America in 2022 alone.


Killing people is one of the oldest hobbies on Earth. But, as easy as it is, it's yet another thing that our in incompetent government fricks up regularly.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:38 pm to
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Why would lethal injection get botched?


Do you have any idea who is carrying out the execution?

You start the absolute dumbest threads.
Posted by TigerOnThe Hill
Springhill, LA
Member since Sep 2008
7444 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:43 pm to
It's been a few years since I looked at the topic deeply, but here are the main points IIRC on problems associated w/ lethal Injection:
-IV access. This has been mentioned already. In addition, it's possible a functioning iv was successfully placed, but became functioning after the process had been started.
-Debates by defendant attorneys and state medical/nursing boards as to what medical professionals can do, or not do.
-The biggest problem is the pharmaceutical being used for sedation, the first step in the process.. Originally a barbiturate (sodium thiopental) was used to render the person unconscious and painless. Sodium thiopental has been used for years to induce anesthesia in surgery patients. Unfortunately, the med is no longer made in the US. The other countries that make it have issues w/ lethal injection and won't sell it to us. People then turned to midazolam (trade name Versed). While it's a decent sedative, it hasn't worked as well as the barbiturate did. At times, huge amounts of midazolam have been used without providing adequate sedation and a painfree situation. The sedation is followed sequentially by an agent that paralyzes all the muscles in the body (including the diaphragm) so the person stops breathing and a large dose of potassium that stops the heart beat. Some states use a machine that injects the medicines after the person's been sedated.

This article provides more details if you're interested.

Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8174 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:54 pm to
quote:

Inert gas is the way to do it. My cousin was married to a guy who went in to inspect a pressure vessel that hadn't been purged of argon. He was gone in about 15 seconds.


This is the way
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
8174 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 9:58 pm to
quote:

It's been a few years since I looked at the topic deeply, but here are the main points IIRC on problems associated w/ lethal Injection: -IV access. This has been mentioned already. In addition, it's possible a functioning iv was successfully placed, but became functioning after the process had been started. -Debates by defendant attorneys and state medical/nursing boards as to what medical professionals can do, or not do. -The biggest problem is the pharmaceutical being used for sedation, the first step in the process.. Originally a barbiturate (sodium thiopental) was used to render the person unconscious and painless. Sodium thiopental has been used for years to induce anesthesia in surgery patients. Unfortunately, the med is no longer made in the US. The other countries that make it have issues w/ lethal injection and won't sell it to us. People then turned to midazolam (trade name Versed). While it's a decent sedative, it hasn't worked as well as the barbiturate did. At times, huge amounts of midazolam have been used without providing adequate sedation and a painfree situation. The sedation is followed sequentially by an agent that paralyzes all the muscles in the body (including the diaphragm) so the person stops breathing and a large dose of potassium that stops the heart beat. Some states use a machine that injects the medicines after the person's been sedated. This article provides more details if you're interested.


All of this wall of text is obselete with a nitrogen gas mask
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3261 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:05 pm to
Alabama is approved to use Nitrogen gas for it's next execution.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216143 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:09 pm to
So an injection gets botched???? I’m sure their
Victims all died peacefully….. I’m an eye for an eye guy. These states are soft as can be… why do these criminals get a last meal and to say goodbye to their families when their victims don’t get that?????
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:11 pm to
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I’m an eye for an eye guy.


Well that's obvious from the abortion of the English language you posted.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
216143 posts
Posted on 11/9/23 at 10:22 pm to
No it just went over your head.
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