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Senior scientist argues that we should bypass Europa for Enceladus

Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:52 pm
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In its quest to find extant life in the Solar System, NASA has focused its gaze on the Jovian moon Europa, home to what is likely the largest ocean known to humans. Over the next decade, the space agency is slated to launch not one, but two multi-billion dollar missions to the ice-encrusted world in hopes of finding signs of life.

Europa certainly has its champions in the scientific community, which conducts surveys every decade to establish top priorities. The exploration of this moon ranks atop the list of most desirable missions alongside returning some rocky material from Mars for study on Earth. But there is another world even deeper out in the Solar System that some scientists think may provide an even juicer target, Saturn’s moon Enceladus. This is a tiny world, measuring barely 500km across, with a surface gravity just one percent of that on Earth. But Enceladus also has a subsurface ocean.

“I have a bias, and I don’t deny that,” says Carolyn Porco, one of the foremost explorers of the Solar System and someone who played a key imaging role on the Voyagers, Cassini, and other iconic NASA spacecraft. “But it’s not so much an emotional attachment with objects that we study, it’s a point of view based on the evidence. We simply know more about Enceladus.”

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“Really, the Europa people don’t know that much,” Porco said. “There is a lot of excitement, but it’s speculation at this point. Of course I’d choose Enceladus. We know it’s the best, and it stands the greatest chance of making that next big step.”


Europa



Enceladus



edit: trimmed down the post a bit
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 2:06 pm
Posted by NotGrammarKnotsi
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:53 pm to
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we should bypass Europa for Enceladus


Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:55 pm to
Worlds filled with races of female OT 10s
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:57 pm to
With a size of 500K, gravity at 1% of earth and daytime highs in the -324 degree range, it seems like a good idea to see if we can live there.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:57 pm to
With gills
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:59 pm to
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With a size of 500K, gravity at 1% of earth and daytime highs in the -324 degree range, it seems like a good idea to see if we can live there.



These aren't missions to find a habitable place to live but checking the most likely places for life to be other than Earth in our solar system.
Posted by SEClint
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:01 pm to
I've looked past cooter hair, I can look past gills.
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:19 pm to
So she wants the world to reroute money to study what she wants?
Posted by wizziko
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:23 pm to
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Enceladus

the GOAT moon. It has a freaking ice volcano!
Posted by shutterspeed
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:23 pm to
Titan should be first on the list.
Posted by TheFonz
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:32 pm to


We should send landers to all four of major Jovian satellites, another to Titan, and one to Triton.

While we at it, with better technology and equipment, we should take a crack at a lander to Venus (Soviets were last in the early 80's) and send one to Mercury.

Space Force needs to jump on this as recon.

This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 2:34 pm
Posted by keakar
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:38 pm to
so they want to pass up the white planet to go to the brown one instead, thats racist

seriously though, wouldnt a non frozen place be the better choice to find something that is alive
Posted by Landmass
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:39 pm to
None of this will ever happen.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:39 pm to
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So she wants the world to reroute money to study what she wants?



More like making a case for Enceladus rather than Europa. She definitely has the credentials to make that case. I don't agree with redirecting mission focus and funds though, that's how a whole lotta nothing gets done. I'd support funding both missions, much of the same tech could be utilized for both (although there would certainly be unique issues to each).
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:41 pm to
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seriously though, wouldnt a non frozen place be the better choice to find something that is alive



There are liquid water oceans on each. Neither place is warm by any stretch, both are frozen worlds. Ice surface with subsurface oceans.
Posted by boxcarbarney
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 3:03 pm to
ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS, EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE. USE THEM TOGETHER. USE THEM IN PEACE.
Posted by Big_Slim
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:09 pm to
Why are they confident they can find life in the oceans beneath the frozen surfaces?

It seems like without warmer temperatures and access to more solar radiation, photosynthetic organisms could never really get off the ground.

If you don't have autotrophs first I don't know how anything else could follow.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:43 pm to
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Why are they confident they can find life in the oceans beneath the frozen surfaces?



They aren't by any stretch, but what they do feel confident about is that they can find life (as we know it) in places with liquid water more than they can in places without liquid water. There's not that many places in the solar system with liquid water so it kind of narrows down the places to look.

quote:

It seems like without warmer temperatures and access to more solar radiation, photosynthetic organisms could never really get off the ground.


There's life thriving at volcanic vents deep under the ocean surface where no life penetrates. These lifeforms depend entirely on nutrients coming out of the vents, no photosynthesis (or even living off what drops down from the surface) and may be where life originated from in the first place - maybe not. What it does show though is that life doesn't need the sun.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted by mdomingue
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:46 pm to
quote:

So she wants the world to reroute money to study what she wants?




Don't we all.
Posted by Big_Slim
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 4:56 pm to
Good point, been a while since my biology days I forgot about those (extremophiles?)

I guess I should have clarified and said I don't think more highly organized life is possible without access to the sun. I want them to find some alien sea monsters not some boring microbes.
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